They don’t know it’s a debian, but also people irrationally dislike snap and other decisions. I’ve been using debian, ubuntu and raspbian for gosh knows how long - I don’t understand the hatred.
I’ve been insulted at work for using Ubuntu by a guy who was afraid to update his arch laptop.
Snaps. Snaps are the, and a good reason. Canonical has done a very poor job with them. Whether it was trying to keep control over them, the duplication of work, the performance issues etc. There’s lots of reasons.
I wouldn’t insult someone for using Ubuntu, like I wouldn’t insult someone for using Manjaro. But I wouldn’t shy away from recommending better distributions when applicable. I think most of us have been through them all over the years. It’s kind of a rite of passage.
The snap deal is the most “like totally your opinion, man” thing in the world. Snaps run just fine for me, as well as flatpaks and appimages. Everybody wants to feel some way about Ubuntu adding some shiz to their distro that the majority of us don’t even pay for.
Is it their distro? Yes. Can they add whatever to it? Yeah. Do they need to ask you? No. Does it really change things for you? No.
Now, you are free to feel however you prefer - this is unquestionable. Your feelings are signal but not data, when it comes to software.
Snap is definitely what got me looking around again. I was content with Ubuntu’s ubiquity and support for a pretty long time. Ironically, after switching to Bazzite everything seems much much snappier.
Yeah, with bazzite, kinoite, silverblue etc flatpak was always part of the equation. We opt into it. Canonical with snaps violated consent. They showed up and that was that. You got no choice. Had Canonical created a sub distro built on and testing these. There would have been a lot less ire. Instead like these new rust core utils. Everyone is an unpaid beta tester.
I can confidently say that I used Ubuntu (different versions even) many years ago on work computers and the Frankenstein monster it became and it breaking when updating was a real problem. I’ll never do it again. Arch has it’s problems but less worries managing it and updating.
The lts trap + old kernel version + plus their horrible custom patching of it + needing other ppas for some hardware to work on top of that of custom patched kernel to support whatever specific thing the laptop needed that was available on more recent kernel version + the need for some apps/tools with recent versions… Hell, all of it.
I’ve been using Ubuntu since 2008. Still use it just fine. I dunno what is horrible about it, everything works. Have used it on a ton of different computers. Everything has always worked on it for me. I am an old unix bearded person, and a sw eng.
Snaps and DEs are what drove me from Ubuntu. Gnome2 was actually nice to use and unity was too Mac for me. Then came snaps and things kept breaking. The breaking point for me was going “sudo apt chromium” and it installing snap, then chromium through snap.
Oh, and I have never had a stable update experience. Every single update lead to me being dropped into a shell or TTY session without a functioning display manager. I tweak my system in many ways to develop software (many PPAs) and updates always meant going on the hunt for new ones to be able to develop again.
Now I’m at NixOS and although the community forums are a constant slugfest with nonstop drama (so I dont visit them anymore), the system has actually been stable for my entire usage period. A friend audibly gasped when I switched channels and updated. They too had never seen a smoother update experience between multiple different major versions (20.05 - > 24.05).
If all you do is develop in devcontainers, have no PPAs, dont modify your system in major ways and just are stock, yeah, pretty much any distro can be pleasant.
They don’t know it’s a debian, but also people irrationally dislike snap and other decisions. I’ve been using debian, ubuntu and raspbian for gosh knows how long - I don’t understand the hatred.
I’ve been insulted at work for using Ubuntu by a guy who was afraid to update his arch laptop.
Snaps. Snaps are the, and a good reason. Canonical has done a very poor job with them. Whether it was trying to keep control over them, the duplication of work, the performance issues etc. There’s lots of reasons.
I wouldn’t insult someone for using Ubuntu, like I wouldn’t insult someone for using Manjaro. But I wouldn’t shy away from recommending better distributions when applicable. I think most of us have been through them all over the years. It’s kind of a rite of passage.
The snap deal is the most “like totally your opinion, man” thing in the world. Snaps run just fine for me, as well as flatpaks and appimages. Everybody wants to feel some way about Ubuntu adding some shiz to their distro that the majority of us don’t even pay for.
Is it their distro? Yes. Can they add whatever to it? Yeah. Do they need to ask you? No. Does it really change things for you? No.
Now, you are free to feel however you prefer - this is unquestionable. Your feelings are signal but not data, when it comes to software.
Snap is definitely what got me looking around again. I was content with Ubuntu’s ubiquity and support for a pretty long time. Ironically, after switching to Bazzite everything seems much much snappier.
Yeah, with bazzite, kinoite, silverblue etc flatpak was always part of the equation. We opt into it. Canonical with snaps violated consent. They showed up and that was that. You got no choice. Had Canonical created a sub distro built on and testing these. There would have been a lot less ire. Instead like these new rust core utils. Everyone is an unpaid beta tester.
That statement that people who know that Ubuntu sucks don’t know that it is a Debian derivative is incredibly unlikely
I can confidently say that I used Ubuntu (different versions even) many years ago on work computers and the Frankenstein monster it became and it breaking when updating was a real problem. I’ll never do it again. Arch has it’s problems but less worries managing it and updating.
The lts trap + old kernel version + plus their horrible custom patching of it + needing other ppas for some hardware to work on top of that of custom patched kernel to support whatever specific thing the laptop needed that was available on more recent kernel version + the need for some apps/tools with recent versions… Hell, all of it.
I’ve been using Ubuntu since 2008. Still use it just fine. I dunno what is horrible about it, everything works. Have used it on a ton of different computers. Everything has always worked on it for me. I am an old unix bearded person, and a sw eng.
I honestly don’t understand the hate.
Snaps and DEs are what drove me from Ubuntu. Gnome2 was actually nice to use and unity was too Mac for me. Then came snaps and things kept breaking. The breaking point for me was going “sudo apt chromium” and it installing snap, then chromium through snap.
Oh, and I have never had a stable update experience. Every single update lead to me being dropped into a shell or TTY session without a functioning display manager. I tweak my system in many ways to develop software (many PPAs) and updates always meant going on the hunt for new ones to be able to develop again.
Now I’m at NixOS and although the community forums are a constant slugfest with nonstop drama (so I dont visit them anymore), the system has actually been stable for my entire usage period. A friend audibly gasped when I switched channels and updated. They too had never seen a smoother update experience between multiple different major versions (20.05 - > 24.05).
If all you do is develop in devcontainers, have no PPAs, dont modify your system in major ways and just are stock, yeah, pretty much any distro can be pleasant.