Linus is the leader who tells all the Colonels how to do their jobs. Then they order the Drivers to take your data all through the series of tubes.
Also text files. At the end of the day it’s just text files.
Reminds me of:
I’ve met Arch users who will confidently tell me untruths about Linux in general and have no idea how to even approach solving problems beyond copypasting instructions from the Arch wiki or forums.
“What happened?” I dunno
“What did you do?” I just ran “echo…” (Or some other meaningless command)
“Do you have logs?” No, what are those?
“Please at least tell me the versions of the things you are running” How do I get that information?
I guess it speaks to the stability of Arch that it can attract users who have no idea what they are doing and still work. But it does also speak volumes about the image it has as an elite distro that makes you look like a Linux expert without actually being one.
proud Debian user here :)
Arch in the pit of despair? Not true anymore… I hope.
Started with PopOS and stayed ever since.
That’s where I am, although it’s only been a few months. It’s nice.
I’ve been at the Debian part of the graph for years!
Started with Mint and… This graph is pretty accurate. I’m on Debian.
Tried Suse and Red Hat before Fedora existed… Also a lot of stuff that isn’t on this graph, and made a system from scratch two times because of strict requirements.
No plans of moving from Debian. Why TF can one argue that those two are more productive? The only reason to use Fedora in particular is if you are stuck with it due to some hardware or contractual requirement.
Yeah I mean I probably ain’t leaving debian tbh. It’s just so nice.
Excuse me. I’ve almost bricked several machines with Ubuntu.
i went mint, debian, opensuse, manjaro, endeavour, aeon. my hacker aspirations were tempered by permanently breaking my awesomewm configuration.
My journey was Ubuntu/Lubuntu, PeppermintOS, #!, BunsenLabs, Antergos, Arch, and now Mint. It’s basically the bell curve meme where the guy uses the most basic one in the end.
Manjaro 🤮, Poop_OS!, EndeavourOS, Fedora, CachyOS.
I think I should’ve started with Debian or Fedora. Those first three didn’t last long but whatever, eventually it clicked with Fedora and I learned enough to try something Arch based with a better reputation again.
manjaro really is a trap.
Yeah, of course I found that out when an update inevitably broke and then learned about the incompetent developer reputation.
*Confused LMDE noises*
(The funny answer is that I’m somewhere up Mount Stupid, but if I am, it’s a bit like Everest base camp and there’s a nice fire going. I think I’ll stay here for a while.)
I’ll be there soon.
I’m a total newbie to Linux, but why do people dislike Ubuntu?
It’s a badly assembled fork of Debian that doesn’t have the same maintenance work and will both break sooner or later and have really large odds of not ever completely working.
Tryhard forum shit. I actually deploy software on Linux and have 20 years using it professionally. I compiled my first kernel in the 90s. Ubuntu is fine. It’s easy, reliable and you can make it whatever you want.
They don’t know it’s a debian, but also people irrationally dislike snap and other decisions. I’ve been using debian, ubuntu and raspbian for gosh knows how long - I don’t understand the hatred.
I’ve been insulted at work for using Ubuntu by a guy who was afraid to update his arch laptop.
Snaps. Snaps are the, and a good reason. Canonical has done a very poor job with them. Whether it was trying to keep control over them, the duplication of work, the performance issues etc. There’s lots of reasons.
I wouldn’t insult someone for using Ubuntu, like I wouldn’t insult someone for using Manjaro. But I wouldn’t shy away from recommending better distributions when applicable. I think most of us have been through them all over the years. It’s kind of a rite of passage.
The snap deal is the most “like totally your opinion, man” thing in the world. Snaps run just fine for me, as well as flatpaks and appimages. Everybody wants to feel some way about Ubuntu adding some shiz to their distro that the majority of us don’t even pay for.
Is it their distro? Yes. Can they add whatever to it? Yeah. Do they need to ask you? No. Does it really change things for you? No.
Now, you are free to feel however you prefer - this is unquestionable. Your feelings are signal but not data, when it comes to software.
Snap is definitely what got me looking around again. I was content with Ubuntu’s ubiquity and support for a pretty long time. Ironically, after switching to Bazzite everything seems much much snappier.
Yeah, with bazzite, kinoite, silverblue etc flatpak was always part of the equation. We opt into it. Canonical with snaps violated consent. They showed up and that was that. You got no choice. Had Canonical created a sub distro built on and testing these. There would have been a lot less ire. Instead like these new rust core utils. Everyone is an unpaid beta tester.
That statement that people who know that Ubuntu sucks don’t know that it is a Debian derivative is incredibly unlikely
I can confidently say that I used Ubuntu (different versions even) many years ago on work computers and the Frankenstein monster it became and it breaking when updating was a real problem. I’ll never do it again. Arch has it’s problems but less worries managing it and updating.
The lts trap + old kernel version + plus their horrible custom patching of it + needing other ppas for some hardware to work on top of that of custom patched kernel to support whatever specific thing the laptop needed that was available on more recent kernel version + the need for some apps/tools with recent versions… Hell, all of it.
I’ve been using Ubuntu since 2008. Still use it just fine. I dunno what is horrible about it, everything works. Have used it on a ton of different computers. Everything has always worked on it for me. I am an old unix bearded person, and a sw eng.
I honestly don’t understand the hate.
Snaps and DEs are what drove me from Ubuntu. Gnome2 was actually nice to use and unity was too Mac for me. Then came snaps and things kept breaking. The breaking point for me was going “sudo apt chromium” and it installing snap, then chromium through snap.
Oh, and I have never had a stable update experience. Every single update lead to me being dropped into a shell or TTY session without a functioning display manager. I tweak my system in many ways to develop software (many PPAs) and updates always meant going on the hunt for new ones to be able to develop again.
Now I’m at NixOS and although the community forums are a constant slugfest with nonstop drama (so I dont visit them anymore), the system has actually been stable for my entire usage period. A friend audibly gasped when I switched channels and updated. They too had never seen a smoother update experience between multiple different major versions (20.05 - > 24.05).
If all you do is develop in devcontainers, have no PPAs, dont modify your system in major ways and just are stock, yeah, pretty much any distro can be pleasant.
No wonder why I’m depressed all the time.
I started with Slackware back in like 98, then RedHat, Gentoo, LFS, then a long stretch with Ubuntu. Now I’m on that immutable train with Bazzite and Aurora.
I would go as far as saying I know how some of Linux works. There’s a lot there.
That’s a trick question: it doesn’t, except for Hannah Montana Linux.
HML Enterprise is extremely reliable for banking operations…probably.
I just keep clicking and it keeps working
And if I run into an issue, I just do a web search and copy paste the first terminal command I see.
The solution to all of your problems:
echo ‘echo UwU senpai’ >> ~/.profile
If it does not anymore, install the OS again.
Where does Void fit into all this??
