Probably because some trans women have beards and the kind of person who would think that trans inclusiveness is a special Lemmy thing is often also the kind of person who doesn’t bother to learn that sex, gender, and gender expression are different things and suspects that ignorance in jokes from a time where that ignorance was the norm to the point of being near-absolute is SUPER triggering to rational non-bigots? 🤷
Thanks. There’s a lot of bad faith replies here; I appreciate the honest engagement. I get the feeling that we’re heading into circular logic territory if we were to discuss what it means to be “masculine” or “feminine” in a gender-fluid, sex-abstracted context. It’d be best if we leave it here, as much as it pains me to stifle my own curiosity.
They inform each other through culture, but they are not the same thing. Just like female lions do most of the hunting. To them, hunting might end up a feminine trait.
Centuries ago, it was expected for women to wear pants, now, not so much. In the Victorian era, men wore makeup too. The social expectations that inform gender change drastically. To be gender non-conforming can mean very different things in different societies. For example; David Bowie. In the Victorian era, he’d have barely stood out at all, besides his talents.
Sex is about the physical body, and gender is about self-identification. Social norms inform what attributes are attributed to what, but it is seldom (virtually never) anything set in stone.
On top of that, the more rigid society tries to be, the more room there is to be “different” and for people to not feel included by those rigid expectations. So the hilarious irony is, conservative shitheads trying to make everyone conform does the exact opposite of what they want; It creates more dejected and excluded people, who are then more likely to be anything but “normal”.
Gender is the social expression of sex. Just as language is the social expression of biology. They are linked, yet have layers of abstraction inbetween.
You being the shit is similar to the feeling of excreting, yet is typically not how we map those.
Probably because some trans women have beards and the kind of person who would think that trans inclusiveness is a special Lemmy thing is often also the kind of person who doesn’t bother to learn that sex, gender, and gender expression are different things and suspects that ignorance in jokes from a time where that ignorance was the norm to the point of being near-absolute is SUPER triggering to rational non-bigots? 🤷
That run-on sentence hurts my brain while still explaining things. TIHI
Sorry, I was on my way to bed so didn’t give myself time to reformat it to something more reader-friendly
If sex and gender are two different things, can you define gender without referring to sex? Honest question
well written ☞ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex–gender_distinction
This article refers to sex throughout its entirety; the ask was for a definition of gender without reference to sex
I’m not very interested in these questions, but my understanding is that gender refers to a role in society, while sex is more qbout biology.
You should stick to designing coasts.
Unlike your award winning fjords, your sealioning is tiresome and unoriginal.
Sealioning? Apologies, but I don’t understand what you mean. May I trouble you to please elaborate?
Whether this was deliberate or not, it’s still pretty funny.
I take it back, if it wasn’t deliberate it would be especially funny.
Here you go
Of course.
Gender is a spectrum between feminine and masculine. It is determined by society and can change depending on when and where you live.
For example, a skirt is seen as something feminine. But go to Scotland and there it is something masculine instead.
Thanks. There’s a lot of bad faith replies here; I appreciate the honest engagement. I get the feeling that we’re heading into circular logic territory if we were to discuss what it means to be “masculine” or “feminine” in a gender-fluid, sex-abstracted context. It’d be best if we leave it here, as much as it pains me to stifle my own curiosity.
They inform each other through culture, but they are not the same thing. Just like female lions do most of the hunting. To them, hunting might end up a feminine trait.
Centuries ago, it was expected for women to wear pants, now, not so much. In the Victorian era, men wore makeup too. The social expectations that inform gender change drastically. To be gender non-conforming can mean very different things in different societies. For example; David Bowie. In the Victorian era, he’d have barely stood out at all, besides his talents.
Sex is about the physical body, and gender is about self-identification. Social norms inform what attributes are attributed to what, but it is seldom (virtually never) anything set in stone.
On top of that, the more rigid society tries to be, the more room there is to be “different” and for people to not feel included by those rigid expectations. So the hilarious irony is, conservative shitheads trying to make everyone conform does the exact opposite of what they want; It creates more dejected and excluded people, who are then more likely to be anything but “normal”.
What?
Gender is the social expression of sex. Just as language is the social expression of biology. They are linked, yet have layers of abstraction inbetween.
You being the shit is similar to the feeling of excreting, yet is typically not how we map those.
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