The increasing use of apps to connect your white goods and home appliances to wifi or bluetooth.
I just read about this on [email protected] but the post was deleted after a few minutes.
so I thought it might be of interests here, plus I’m old, hardly slept last night and I’m bored.
Here’s my take on it.
When I type:
nmcli dev wifi
Into my terminal I see lots of people using wifi for their not very smart white goods and appliances.
when I type these:
sudo hcitool -i hci0 lescan
sudo hcitool scan
sudo bluetoothctl --timeout 10 scan on
Into my terminal I see lots of people using bluetooth for their not very smart white goods and appliances.
The most recent addition is a delonghi vertuo espresso machine, masquerading as; ESSID venus-“macaddress”.
Epresso machines. washing machines, fridges, freezers, TV’s, who the fuck connects that shit to the internet.
Have we really forgotten how to press a buttons, twiddle a knob and actually think.
or forgotten how to operate a bialetti moka pot. Yay!
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I want one of these though! Its my invention.
I want a smart arse toilet that notifies me if anyone has left a floater, left a huge skid mark down the side of the pan or pissed on the toilet seat.
To use my smart arse toilet. I would force the users to download the app, login in via wifi with their email and phone number.
It could then take a photo of any delinquent who disrespected my smart arse toilet and send it to the culprit, with a warning that the photo will be uploaded to social media with their name and contact details.
And a further email with my bitcoin address so they can easily send me some blackmail money.
Now that is what I call a smart arse!
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Addendum;
Are these wifi and bluetooth connected devices safe?
As a punishment for not thinking and having no concern for the environment, I’ve decided I am going to de-auth the espresso machine for a few days, so they cant have coffee before work. that will teach them.
Do they not realise that buy buying this shit, they are making the company more money to make even more of this shit.
maybe they will reconsider and dust off their old moka pot, faithfully waiting in the cupboard to be used again.
Kind feedback, with a hint of humour would be much appreciated
I admit it: I need a definition for “white goods”.
White Goods are large home appliances such as stoves (British: cookers), refrigerators, freezers, washing machines, tumble driers, dishwashers, and air conditioners. They are large electrical goods for the house which were traditionally available only in white. Even though you can purchase them today in a wide range of different colors, they continue to be called white goods.
Above definition from first result on ddg. It might not be a common term everywhere, but where I’m from, the literal translation means the smae thinc, and is pretty universally used in both online and physical stores.
Check
- HomeAssistant/WebThings (open source gateways, no need for Internet connection)
- ZigBee/ZWave (dedicated IoT wireless protocols, not WiFi or BT)
- ESP32-C6 (small cheap low-end device that supports ZigBee and can thus become an IoT sensor/actuator via e.g. ESPHome)
because basically there is NO reason to rely on “smart” objects that are expensive, power hungry and, last but not least do not respect your privacy while giving you less control.
Smart home type stuff is with minor exceptions a total nightmare. Bad security, bad privacy, and bad longevity. Just no. There are some of these things that just don’t work without connection back to the mother-ship, or at least lack major features. Generally it is recommended that if you do have these sorts of things, put them on a separate network at least.
See Nest: next month they stop working with no local API options. I got mine as a gift, but it will be easily replaced by a $40 programmable thermostat.
Hey flatbield
Its the poor non techies that I feel for.
Buying stuff for convenience, being totally unaware of the data collection, lack of decent security and eventual enshitifictaion of the product range.
Thank you
It’s my new aim. Never thought I would aspire to be a Luddite.
LET ME USE SNMP TO CONTROL MY APPLIANCES
Kokodayo, motherfuckers LOL
Have we really forgotten how to press a buttons, twiddle a knob and actually think.
In our home, we have an on/off switch, the kind one actually needs to move their ass to in order to be able to press it, for our electricity and light bulbs. Our fridge does cold and that’s it. It also don’t need no WiFI and never needed any update. Toilets are flushing water just fine with the press of a button, no WiFi required either. Our heaters do… heat when we turn them on (so much work!). Our coffee pot is just that, a coffee pot that’s using good old coffee we dose with a spoon with hot water on top of it, exactly like we do with tea just in a different pot. Our washing machine washes the laundry after the turn of two buttons (thinking about it, maybe I should file for extra-hours for all that work?). We don’t own a dishwasher because most of the time there is only the two of us worth of dishes to wash and I kinda enjoy washing them by hand while I let my mind wander (often get my best ideas like that, like when I’m under the shower). Oh, almost forgot, our doorbell is just that: a doorbell with no WiFi, no camera, no cop to ask to see the footage, no cloud subscription, and no hackers.
And that’s kinda the same with our not so smartphones: no app installed beside the few ones we really need access to (bank, security and shit like that), no social media apps, no email, no games, no Netflix, or the likes (we have quit subscribing to all those ‘services’ a few years ago, moving back to physically owned media). And for our TV, well, we don’t own a smart TV, as a matter of fact we own no TV at all since we’ve decided some 25 years ago that we wanted not to pay good money while still be forced to watch ads (anyone noticing a parallel with what streaming services have started doing in recent years?).
Our books are physical books. And that was the last digital bastion in our home, as I had been almost exclusively reading ebooks for decades, out of convenience, but realizing how we did not truly own them and how they tracked our reading habits, it’s back to print.
In summary: there is a loft of dumbness going on in hour home which suits both my spouse and I, I’m (not) afraid to say so ;)
Our books are physical books
See, I’m just the opposite. You give me a trad book of any topic I am genuinely interested in and I’ll never crack the binding. Give me the same book in an digital form and I’ll read it many times.
That’s cool too. Like I said I was into ebooks too but decided to shift away for two reasons: privacy & ownership.
Hey Libb
all you write sounds like my home.
There are humans who live here.
Real books are the key to a wonderful life, Its the smell that gets me, they are especially easy on my eyes as I have gotten older.
I have a small library of my favourite books. I have just started to re-read, Écrits by Jacques Lacan, its a bit of a tome.
By the way. I do not own a TV, I have not watched any TV since around 2000,
I think thats called autonomy
Thank you
I have a small library of my favourite books. I have just started to re-read
Re-reading can be magic. Won’t work all the time but when it does… I fear many readers won’t ever try that.
I think thats called autonomy
I prefer to call this a lifelong allergy to noise. Something I’ve been allergic to since I was a young kid.
It doesn’t mean I hate music or that I can only be happy surrounded by silence, quite the contrary I love music. It just is an allergy to those very specific kind of noise that are devised to prevent you from using your brain and that try to have you always react wit your guts instead.
Exactly like with TV and ads, most politics, most social media and, sadly, most traditional media too. It’s something learned by growing surrounded by a few adults that were in constant anger. Realizing I wanted to never be like that.
Thank you
Thanks for sharing your own experience, it’s great to hear a similar one :)
I’m trying to save money on the power bill so I’ve reluctantly connected a few things to the wifi in the hopes that I can set them up to easily tun in a delayed way to use off-peak power. Turns out, neither the dishwasher nor the washing machine or dryer even support that! The dishwasher does, but you have to use the app every time - you can’t set it up to run delayed by default when you press the start button on the machine
So, back off the wifi they go. It was the first use I had for ‘smart’ devices and it didn’t even do the thing.
Check and see if they can be hooked up to home assistant. If they can, and they expose start/stop functionality, then you can ask HA to start and stop them for you.
Then you don’t have to deal with the awful app/UI/external cloud server that they usually use.
I used to work on making those types of devices. There’s one good reason to connect them to the internet, and that is to report the health of the device and automatically call up maintenance if things go wonky. But nobody does that. Instead, they all snag user interaction data and send it off to the magical cloud without knowing why. Or to upsell you consumables like water filters and detergents.
One other reason to have them connected is to send push notifications when something needs attention. Like when the power to the chest freezer in the basement has gone off and the human body parts are starting to leak.
I want to see an episode of Dexter. With him monitoring an app that tells him if the body parts he has stored in the freezer, to dispose of later, is defrosting and starting to stink.
Just get some of these
LOL!
They are sold out man.
still doesn’t beat my smart arse toilet.
Now I do have a Traegar Woodridge smoker/grill that is connected to the wifi, and is secured. It does come in handy when I am smoking a big ol’ brisket or pork shoulder that takes a good 12+ hours to smoke. The remote will allow me to adjust temps from my bed during the night which is quite nice.
Now my Rumba is just a dumb bot running around sucking up dog hair and does not need wifi connectivity to acomplish that.
It really depends on what device you are connecting. My range/oven has the option that I never set up because I don’t want to preheat it when I am not home.
But I did get a smart wall outlet that I plugged my coffee maker into so I can turn it on from my bed in the morning.
Epresso machines. washing machines, fridges, freezers, TV’s, who the fuck connects that shit to the internet.
TVs make sense… other appliances, not so much. Your energy is best spent on companies for peddling IoT into things that don’t need the “I” in IoT.I’ve decided I am going to de-auth the espresso machine for a few days, so they cant have coffee before work. That has got to be the worst way to teach privacy to common people. What this will end up doing is just turn you from a smug know-it-all to a smug script kiddie asshole, and as for the recipient, they’d just end up getting their “faulty” appliance replaced at most.
Does it kill you to just raise awareness about privacy in a less intrusive way or what? If that’s a bougie you’re disrupting then forget anything I said, otherwise this is silly as hell.edit: I can’t tell what’s real or what’s a meme anymore…
My dear sewer rat
I am shocked that you failed to understand the humour in what I wrote
What you have written in reply is meaninglesss to me.
I do not understand what you are trying to say.
I do not to respond directly to the questions people ask me, if I consider them intentionally confrontational. like calling me a smug know-it-all to a smug script kiddie asshole.
that is awfully rude and judgemental when you dont know me
I will not reply to people, who, selectively pick one sentence, or a selection of my words, that do not conform to, or meet, their personal agenda, and who’s sole purpose is to create a passive aggresive fruitless argument.
Especially when they have not read and attempted to understand what I have tried to explain or expand upon.
Unless of course, you are willing to pay me £200 for every 50 minutes of therapeutic work we do together. You will then get my full attention, congruence, love, and undiminished empathy. Maybe we could dismantle your defence mechanisms, and point you towards a more productive way of life.
You could then be a useful and fully functioning member of the human race, and stop acting like a sewer rat consumed by anger, toxic shame and hate.
Until then. I shall look forward to reading with interest your next privacy post.
oh… yeah okay I completely fell for it 🤦♂️… Honestly to me, the line between sarcasm/memeposts and realposts nowadays are so thin, to the point of making me dense as fuck…
Sorry, I’ll carry along.
Dont beat yourself up over it
These things happen.
Maybe you was having a shit day.
we all have different ways to express our humour. I’m particularly shit at it to be honest.
I struggle too, half the time I cant tell the difference between real and ai.
Imagine being 69 years old and being called a script kiddie. Now that is something.
I think Ill get my flares and platform shoes and tie dye T-shirt out and start playing some led zeppelin and bob dylan over the weekend.
enjoy your weekend