i think it’s becoming an inevitabiliy. when you have the EU passing laws preventing data collection and US states like mississippi requiring it, eventually the laws become incompatible and your only options become serving a different site to every jurisdiction or just blocking large swathes of the planet. i think unfortunately we’re in the last years of there being a singular “the internet” as things shift from nations reactively geoblocking sites to sites proactively geoblocking themselves
Wait until economic sanctions on a nation includes cutting them off from the US, EU, so on…
Truly a dangerous time when whole internets are defederating from one another. Will the echo-chambered walled gardens ever fall?
It’s hard to start world war 3 if people can just talk to eachother and don’t have to believe dehumanizing propaganda.
So better make that illegal. For the children!
Let’s see if I get it: Back to the early 90s?
no, it’s just different countries firewalling other countries to varying degrees so they have their own, distinct internet…
like the great firewall of china means that most chinese citizens can only access websites hosted in china….In Spain we had Infovia in the 90s, a kind of Spanish internet. Not directly connected to internet.
weird…
There’s already the Russian internet and the Chinese internet.
All the “save the children” acts that seem to be going around will probably just accelerate it.
Must be so nice being a child born today, so safe!
Very safe indeed /s
Btw, apparantly, the second children born during the one child policy (in PRC) will not receive legal documents unless the fine (which was like ¥10,000-¥25,000 which was a lot btw) gets paid, so yea… imagine having zero documents in your own country, no subway, no long distance trains, cant even get a phone number (cuz everything needs ID), because of some stupid government enforced birth control bs (also its not like I chose to be born, wtf is this lashing out at the kids for lmao)
So you tell the people to give birth to a lot of children, then oopsie, need to backtrack, one child policy, then now that one child is supporting their parents and their 4 grandparent’s entire retirement plan.
And I’m pretty sure the only reason why I was born was because my mother wanted to secure her retirement plan (because in case my older brother is a “failure” somehow).
So yea, I was born because… I’m part of my parent’s idea of a retirement plan. Wonderful.
depression intensifies
Now stop complaining and go to work 🎉
Aw, man, it’s not about a giant rat and martial arts turtles?
I imagine censorship and firewalls by political powers will only increase in an attempt to “protect” (control) people and that it will make the splits more obvious.
Yeah it seems like all forms of authority are working towards complete control of all things digital. Control of information media like print and broadcast are already established, control of the information flow of the internet is inevitable.
Its already well underway, not just in China and Russia. I think most splits will be enforced by governments but maybe splits on a technology level could deepen if e.g. more people move towards Tor, etc.
“The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men - cries out for universal brotherhood - for the unity of us all.”
radio have brought us closer together
Lol, they used to jam shortwave radios before modern internet. Authoritarians are really afraid of the free flow of information.
It already is the fact. I mean, sure, some of the splinters are smaller, like Lemmy vs. Reddit, or BlueSky vs. Twitter, but they are still splintered and they will never reconcile.
These aren’t actual “splinters” though. These are just pissing matches between platforms. The idea of disconnecting a range of users from the internet (such as a country geo blocking another country) is quite a bit different, like if reddit was suddenly no longer available to lemmy users and vice versa.
I for one hope for the balkanization of the internet because while it will be extremely disruptive and kind of a nightmare it will potentially facilitate and popularize a replacement like ipfs, yggdrasil, or more federation to displace this corpo nightmare we’ve found ourselves in
Why not call it decentralization? Because that sounds like an actual good thing.
Ham Radio Time? 🤔
If get fediverse becomes big enough the network effect will make splintering an untenable position
If darknets become a thing, I could see regional intranets start popping up if the general internet doesn’t meet peoples needs.
Think about what you could get out of a truely open platform set up by individuals without a megs corp. Could be awesome.
I2P.
I2P.
How do more people not know about I2P?!
You can run your own darknet node today!
You can build a local meshnet with it, and/or connect it out to as far as you can reach any other I2P node.
You can use it as a sort of distributed VPN to access the clearnet, and/or acquire yaaaarrgh matey content, and, though it is slow, it is more secure than Tor, and would be faster if more people used it.
Thanks. I’ve set up one of these and integrated it with a Lora node a while back. Its a neat novelty. But its exceptionally hard to work with at least for me. Hope the project does well though!
I am just happy you actually know what it is, and even better, have really futzed about with it.
Yes, it is a bit of hassle to figure out how to set up properly… it would probably be quite helpful if somebody set up an ‘idiots guide to using I2P’, or some kind of ‘input your use case -> heres what you need to do’ type of instructional or autoconfig generator tool…
But I2P has so, so much potential to act as a secure and versatile sort of underweb, for all things that are not dependant on very low latency and high dl/ul speeds.
We can more or less just go back to the old, slower paced but highly efficient internet, but much more private and secure, if we want to build it ourselves.
Sneakernet https://github.com/berty/berty
A meshtashtic-forum would be awesome!
But unfortunately, I think we’re getting the qq/weibo/baidu/zhihu type of internet 😕
Personally I think there’s going to be lots of solutions that people come up with, local or not to the issue. If the internet continues to stop being useful, individuals or collectives will likely start to fill the void.
If smaller communities feel pushed out by traditional internet then we javevseen cases of people just…making a network with a couple of friends. That’s all it really needs to be.
At least in my opinion. Darknets continue to abound, we just font hear about them until they pop up now and again.
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If by LAN you mean network? Probably. If by LAN you mean LAN then yes 10.x.x.x is the subnet range.
All networks are LAN. The Internet is made of millions of tiny networks routed together.
Obviously, but most of us don’t use internal IP ranges on the public network. 😆
If by internet you mean network? Probably. If by internet you mean Internet then no there are actual IP addresses allocated.
