• burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 days ago

    Italians can suck my short toe. They didn’t even come up with the pizza, it was italian heritage immigrants. Same thing for people who complain about deep dish pizza (which is really just a weird lasagna/casserole) not being pizza.

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      Italians should be more like the Japanese and embrace change and just appropriate those fusion dishes and pretend like they invented it. Like if the Japanese were like Italians salmon sushi would have never become a Japanese dish. Before Norwegian salmon farmers came to Japan to convince Japanese chefs to sell raw salmon in the 80’s, salmon sushi didn’t exist since wild salmon often contains parasites. If the Japanese were like Italians they would have scoffed at the idea to sell and eat salmon sushi.

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      2 days ago

      Which ‘Italian heritage immigrants’? Are you saying pizza is an American invention?

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        Not OP, but maybe they’re alluding to the fact that tomatoes were exclusively native to the Americas, so pizza in Italy never even had tomatoes before 500 years ago. A quick Google search shows that the first modern pizzas came from Naples about 300 years ago. So no, not American, but not possible without moving tomatoes from the Americas.

        Italian immigrants brought pizza to America and it caught on.

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          Chili peppers are native to Americas too, by that logic Thai, Indian, Korean, Ethiopian and Szechuan cuisines are American?

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            No? Like I said, Italian immigrants brought pizza to America. They didn’t come to America and then invent pizza. Trade routes brought chili peppers to those areas and they did new and interesting things with them to incorporate them into their cuisine in fundamental ways. I’m just saying that those dishes are recent, not completely coopted.

      • kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        America doesn’t even have pizza! They use the word to refer to some kind of large open-faced oven-baked sandwiches.