I dare not imagine what sort of world you imagine we live in, frankly because I don’t care for your delusions! So please continue hating the police as an extension of the Coke brothers, who stay up all all night to stop you from jaywalking
So please continue hating the police as an extension of the Coke brothers
Like we can agree to disagree on everything else but please I beg you don’t lump me in with the Koch Brothers 😭😭😭
The police protect the Koch Brothers from the consequences of their actions. I’m against the Koch Brothers. I literally hate them and all the other capitalists who openly make our world uninhabitable. As an anarchist, I am anti-capitalist and anti-State.
I dare not imagine what sort of world you imagine we live in
One run by the capitalist class…I thought I made that pretty clear in my response.
jaywalking
Jaywalking is actually an excellent example of a bullshit, made-up crime that the police currently use to harass black and brown people, and was invented to help capitalists make the United States into a car-centered hellhole.
Sorry I’m just so thrown off, what made you think I’m pro Koch Brothers? I want to make sure I don’t do it again even by accident 😭😭😭
For one you should look up what irony and hyperbole means
For two in first world countries the rich only very mildly have more influence than that of the common for the multitude of laws ensuring so! The us might get there one, tho I doubt it for its not democratic in any semblance
Are the rich an evil entity meant to corrupt the world? No they are not, should they take more obligations and duties on their shoulders for they are the most able to? Yes! Should they be hated for resisting that in an individualistic world in which people freeze and starve on the streets? No, and from those who believe so I would ask what they do for the common
And in your fantasy how does the rich benefit for enforcing jaywalking, which apparently only colored folk do?
For one you should look up what irony and hyperbole means
I had no reason to believe that you were being hyperbolic or ironic.
For two in first world countries the rich only very mildly have more influence than that of the common for the multitude of laws ensuring so!
Yeah you’re living in Opposite World. Do you actually live in the US? I do, and I have for my entire life. Please look into the Epstein files, the Panama Papers, Elon Musk and DOGE and Donald Trump. You will see very quickly that protection of the rich from the consequences of their actions is the defining feature of the United States, regardless of which party is in power or who the figurehead is.
Are the rich an evil entity meant to corrupt the world?
No, they are a self-interested group of powerful people who share a common interest of maintaining the status quo. Whatever their internal state, evil or otherwise, this makes them my enemies.
Should they be hated for resisting that in an individualistic world in which people freeze and starve on the streets?
Yes!
And from those who believe so I would ask what they do for the common
Yeah but I don’t take anything from common people by…existing as a working class person? In contrast, the capitalist class continuously takes everything from the workers of the world. They steal our labor, paywall our knowledge, put all our natural resources behind fences and people with guns, and use their control to destroy our planet and make it uninhabitable for everyone.
And in your fantasy how does the rich benefit for enforcing jaywalking, which apparently only colored folk do?
Firstly, I want to clarify that I did not mean to imply that people of color actually are more likely to jaywalk. I meant to make two connected points:
The police use bullshit offenses like jaywalking to harass black and brown people.
Jaywalking is historically one of those bullshit offenses, and it was specifically designed to entrench car-centric culture.
(1) is deep historical fact. Especially in America, the police are designed from the ground up to harass black and brown people because anti-black racism is foundational to every iteration of the United States.
The arrival of the automobile in the opening decades of the 20th century led to increasingly deadly conflicts in the street, and the public was generally unsympathetic to motorists or to early attempts to legislate pedestrian behavior.[2][3] In response, the US automobile industry and associated organizations undertook public campaigns to identify pedestrians, often impugned as jay-walkers, as a problem to be managed in the new automotive age.[2] The first widely successful criminalization of jaywalking was enacted in Los Angeles in 1925, using legislation drafted by the auto lobby that inspired similar ordinances in other American cities.[2]
I’m currently reading a book called Our Enemies in Blue by Kristian Williams. Williams has created an incredibly detailed, nuanced, and well-cited book about the history of policing, obviously from an abolitionist standpoint. Of course I developed my views on police before starting this book based on my experiences, the news, and other sources, but it is still an enlightening read. Please add this to your reading list.
-Weakest excuse I have ever heard, there is no shame in learning
-I don’t live in the US, I said I live in a first world country; corruption of the few is not descriptive of all
-Every group is self interested and cery very few extremist groups want to topple the status quo as such changes historically always ended in turmoil
-You don’t give either to society, yet you ask for more from it! And the rest is not true! Your labor is not stolen you are willingly selling it to the entity you choose; discovering knowledge takes resources, its distribution takes resources, if the cycle was not self sustaining then there would be no new discoveries…
Weakest excuse I have ever heard, there is no shame in learning
In learning when you personally are being hyperbolic or ironic? 😆 Also, you seem to actually hold the positions you advocate for, unless this is some elaborate meta-ironic satire you’re doing of lemmy.world neoliberals?
Also check my profile, I’m openly autistic. I’m already known not to be good at reading social cues. So excuse me if I misread your social cues 😁.
corruption of the few is not descriptive of all
Exactly, which is why I never alleged that these institutions have been corrupted. They are functioning exactly as designed because brutality on behalf of racism and white supremacy is the function of the police.
Every group is self interested
Of course. Capitalists merely being self-interested is not why I’m anti-capitalist. Frankly, it’s because their interests contrast with my own interests, and I suspect the interests of others to…live happy lives.
and very very few extremist groups want to topple the status quo as such changes historically always ended in turmoil
And the US isn’t in turmoil? It hasn’t been? The status quo is turmoil unless you are white, rich, straight, cis, etc.
You don’t give either to societ
You don’t know me. I’m not gonna dox myself, but I could be making thousands of dollars and be set for life if I told the military I wanted to work for them or a defense contractor in their R&D department. I have basically taken a vow of poverty to do peaceful research because I want to do something good for the world.
But even then, I 1000% do not subscribe to the notion that everyone needs to contribute to society. I got no problem if you want to just eat Doritos all day and do nothing. I’m all for it. I can build a machine that will do the “missing” work for us. What I do have a problem with is capitalists making our lives worse, making it detrimental to others to build that machine because you are forced to work to survive.
yet you ask for more from it!
I ask nothing of the State and capitalists except to disappear. In the interim, I will happily claw back as much money, resources, time, opportunities, etc., that they stole from us.
And as for the community, I have given my time and labor to the community for my entire adult life. Besides my research, I also spent years delivering food for scraps.
What is the point of community if you can never ask anything of it? The strength of community is precisely that you can lean on the community if you need help! This is why the capitalists in the US have fought so hard to break up communities.
And unlike other developed nations, we almost don’t get things from our government. Infrastructure is falling apart, it’s impossible to find cheap housing, education sucks, higher education is impossibly expensive even at public schools, the mental health system is gutted and impotent even for people who can afford it, healthcare is a complete disaster even for people who can pay for it… and to top it all off, Trump is pretty openly against the idea of the government doing anything non-violent for his citizens; see the Big Beautiful Bill.
So if the US government is considered representative of my society, which in my view it is not because no State is a legitimate representative of any society, but to be charitable if we assume that it is representative of my society, we get almost nothing from our society, so we owe them almost nothing in return.
And the rest is not true! Your labor is not stolen you are willingly selling it to the entity you choose
Well yes, I choose the entity to whom I sell my labor. But the necessity of selling my labor at all is absolutely not voluntary in this current system! And as I previously alluded to, access to what you need to survive should be unconditional. You are a human, and you deserve to live whether or not you create value for society.
discovering knowledge takes resources
Yeah which is why it’s crazy that we make researchers practically take a vow of poverty in the US 😆
its distribution takes resources
Not as much as you think. For example, LibGen does it for free. And frankly, when my upcoming paper comes out, it’s going straight on ArXiv, i.e. the preprint will be free.
if the cycle was not self sustaining then there would be no new discoveries…
…the sad reality is that we wouldn’t have research in a capitalist system if it weren’t for two factors:
The military needs eggheads.
There are people who just want to build cool stuff and are willing to accept shitty circumstances if it means we’re allowed to build cool stuff.
I dare not imagine what sort of world you imagine we live in, frankly because I don’t care for your delusions! So please continue hating the police as an extension of the Coke brothers, who stay up all all night to stop you from jaywalking
Like we can agree to disagree on everything else but please I beg you don’t lump me in with the Koch Brothers 😭😭😭
The police protect the Koch Brothers from the consequences of their actions. I’m against the Koch Brothers. I literally hate them and all the other capitalists who openly make our world uninhabitable. As an anarchist, I am anti-capitalist and anti-State.
One run by the capitalist class…I thought I made that pretty clear in my response.
Jaywalking is actually an excellent example of a bullshit, made-up crime that the police currently use to harass black and brown people, and was invented to help capitalists make the United States into a car-centered hellhole.
Sorry I’m just so thrown off, what made you think I’m pro Koch Brothers? I want to make sure I don’t do it again even by accident 😭😭😭
For one you should look up what irony and hyperbole means
For two in first world countries the rich only very mildly have more influence than that of the common for the multitude of laws ensuring so! The us might get there one, tho I doubt it for its not democratic in any semblance
Are the rich an evil entity meant to corrupt the world? No they are not, should they take more obligations and duties on their shoulders for they are the most able to? Yes! Should they be hated for resisting that in an individualistic world in which people freeze and starve on the streets? No, and from those who believe so I would ask what they do for the common
And in your fantasy how does the rich benefit for enforcing jaywalking, which apparently only colored folk do?
I had no reason to believe that you were being hyperbolic or ironic.
Yeah you’re living in Opposite World. Do you actually live in the US? I do, and I have for my entire life. Please look into the Epstein files, the Panama Papers, Elon Musk and DOGE and Donald Trump. You will see very quickly that protection of the rich from the consequences of their actions is the defining feature of the United States, regardless of which party is in power or who the figurehead is.
No, they are a self-interested group of powerful people who share a common interest of maintaining the status quo. Whatever their internal state, evil or otherwise, this makes them my enemies.
Yes!
Yeah but I don’t take anything from common people by…existing as a working class person? In contrast, the capitalist class continuously takes everything from the workers of the world. They steal our labor, paywall our knowledge, put all our natural resources behind fences and people with guns, and use their control to destroy our planet and make it uninhabitable for everyone.
Firstly, I want to clarify that I did not mean to imply that people of color actually are more likely to jaywalk. I meant to make two connected points:
(1) is deep historical fact. Especially in America, the police are designed from the ground up to harass black and brown people because anti-black racism is foundational to every iteration of the United States.
For (2), here is the literal second paragraph of the Wikipedia article on jaywalking:
I’m currently reading a book called Our Enemies in Blue by Kristian Williams. Williams has created an incredibly detailed, nuanced, and well-cited book about the history of policing, obviously from an abolitionist standpoint. Of course I developed my views on police before starting this book based on my experiences, the news, and other sources, but it is still an enlightening read. Please add this to your reading list.
-Weakest excuse I have ever heard, there is no shame in learning -I don’t live in the US, I said I live in a first world country; corruption of the few is not descriptive of all -Every group is self interested and cery very few extremist groups want to topple the status quo as such changes historically always ended in turmoil -You don’t give either to society, yet you ask for more from it! And the rest is not true! Your labor is not stolen you are willingly selling it to the entity you choose; discovering knowledge takes resources, its distribution takes resources, if the cycle was not self sustaining then there would be no new discoveries…
In learning when you personally are being hyperbolic or ironic? 😆 Also, you seem to actually hold the positions you advocate for, unless this is some elaborate meta-ironic satire you’re doing of lemmy.world neoliberals?
Also check my profile, I’m openly autistic. I’m already known not to be good at reading social cues. So excuse me if I misread your social cues 😁.
Exactly, which is why I never alleged that these institutions have been corrupted. They are functioning exactly as designed because brutality on behalf of racism and white supremacy is the function of the police.
Of course. Capitalists merely being self-interested is not why I’m anti-capitalist. Frankly, it’s because their interests contrast with my own interests, and I suspect the interests of others to…live happy lives.
And the US isn’t in turmoil? It hasn’t been? The status quo is turmoil unless you are white, rich, straight, cis, etc.
You don’t know me. I’m not gonna dox myself, but I could be making thousands of dollars and be set for life if I told the military I wanted to work for them or a defense contractor in their R&D department. I have basically taken a vow of poverty to do peaceful research because I want to do something good for the world.
But even then, I 1000% do not subscribe to the notion that everyone needs to contribute to society. I got no problem if you want to just eat Doritos all day and do nothing. I’m all for it. I can build a machine that will do the “missing” work for us. What I do have a problem with is capitalists making our lives worse, making it detrimental to others to build that machine because you are forced to work to survive.
I ask nothing of the State and capitalists except to disappear. In the interim, I will happily claw back as much money, resources, time, opportunities, etc., that they stole from us.
And as for the community, I have given my time and labor to the community for my entire adult life. Besides my research, I also spent years delivering food for scraps.
What is the point of community if you can never ask anything of it? The strength of community is precisely that you can lean on the community if you need help! This is why the capitalists in the US have fought so hard to break up communities.
And unlike other developed nations, we almost don’t get things from our government. Infrastructure is falling apart, it’s impossible to find cheap housing, education sucks, higher education is impossibly expensive even at public schools, the mental health system is gutted and impotent even for people who can afford it, healthcare is a complete disaster even for people who can pay for it… and to top it all off, Trump is pretty openly against the idea of the government doing anything non-violent for his citizens; see the Big Beautiful Bill.
So if the US government is considered representative of my society, which in my view it is not because no State is a legitimate representative of any society, but to be charitable if we assume that it is representative of my society, we get almost nothing from our society, so we owe them almost nothing in return.
Well yes, I choose the entity to whom I sell my labor. But the necessity of selling my labor at all is absolutely not voluntary in this current system! And as I previously alluded to, access to what you need to survive should be unconditional. You are a human, and you deserve to live whether or not you create value for society.
Yeah which is why it’s crazy that we make researchers practically take a vow of poverty in the US 😆
Not as much as you think. For example, LibGen does it for free. And frankly, when my upcoming paper comes out, it’s going straight on ArXiv, i.e. the preprint will be free.
…the sad reality is that we wouldn’t have research in a capitalist system if it weren’t for two factors: