It’s their culture too, Americans didn’t spontaneously generate as a colony. These outfits are from Europe.
The funny thing is that they had periods where they hated Catholics almost as much as their other targets while pretending to be a holy order of Catholic knights. They were literally the exact same kind of Christo-fascist as modern neo-crusaders but wouldn’t let Catholics in.
Yep. There are still swastikas all over Korea because it’s been associated with Buddhists for far longer than Hitler who appropriated it. Freaks out visiting westerners, though.
It’s not just Buddhists. Asatru, Norse/Germanic cultures, too. It ticks me off we have to give up things sacred to us because they’ve been misused. Aleister Crowley reveled in it and played it to the hilt, though. Yeats was not amused.
As a general rule at least… I guess you can end up with a Leni Riefenstahl every now and then, but for the most part, if you were a good artist at the time in Germany, you were a target. And I guess one could call Josef Mengele “creative” if you remove all positive connotations from the word.
I had to wiki her, and read about Blue Light and her first propaganda film. And her “how could we know.” I guess for me it shows how easily anyone, dreamers and realists alike, can fall under the spell of skilled orators, especially the disenfranchised, wounded, left behind. Which is why I think it’s important to leave pettiness and insults behind and beneath us, and rise to healing language and honesty, first with ourselves, and then extended to our kindred. Because we are them and they are us. We just mirror our better and worst selves to each other. If what we see as the worst in ourselves repel us and cause us to use unconscionable language and tactics, why would our kindred react differently?
I’m not talking about crimes against things or even necessarily institutions, but about crimes against humanity. The most poignant rl illustration I can refer to is the attempted genocide to the Jewish people, to now the near complete genocide of the Palestinian people. It was wrong then and it’s wrong now.
Conservatives are incapable of original thought. Every joke they have and every insult they sling is just something they heard from a leftist, bastardized.
I’m talking about rhetoric. Friend, I’m probably more left than you might imagine. And I’d very well imagine the current Israeli administration saying the same thing you just said, about Palestinians. As I age, and continue to temper the worst parts of myself, I’ve come to understand, innerstand,* overstand, and understand, good and evil may be opposites, but they occupy the same spectrum as life and death, light and darkness. I pray at some point, you will, too.
*The tech-moneymasters who appropriate all things to ai in their bid to be omniscient immortals can’t seem to grasp the value of certain other appropriated words, yet.
Is it appropriation if you treat people and their culture with respect? Because i dont think the issue here is how the KKK dresses. It is what they stand for ideologically and what they do. That is what makes it appropriation imo.
I want to agree with you, but I’m not so sure. I think different individuals have very different thoughts on that. And now I need to sit with this for a while.
True, but there are nuances. Stealing a symbol and giving it new meaning by using it for a different purpose is obviously a worse kind of appropriation than adopting language and culture.
To give some context, originally a ‘nazareno’ is somebody paying penitence for sins committed since last years Easter. Part of their ‘penitence’ is to march in procession covered with those robes. The ‘capirote’ (the hood) is intended to keep those sinners (that could be important or well known people) anonymous.
I’m not sure if this is still valid today or if it’s now just a performance. Someone from the south of Spain will more about that than myself.
KKK stole the outfit from earlier Christian rituals.
White supremacists stole from another culture? Shocking, that’s never happened before
It’s their culture too, Americans didn’t spontaneously generate as a colony. These outfits are from Europe.
The funny thing is that they had periods where they hated Catholics almost as much as their other targets while pretending to be a holy order of Catholic knights. They were literally the exact same kind of Christo-fascist as modern neo-crusaders but wouldn’t let Catholics in.
For some reason, I’m thinking of the scene in Django Unchained where the guy is griping that his wife worked hard on this!
Supremacists always appropriate things. Ok symbol, sacred numbers/symbols, clothing, words, deities, and twist it to exclude.
Yep. There are still swastikas all over Korea because it’s been associated with Buddhists for far longer than Hitler who appropriated it. Freaks out visiting westerners, though.
It’s not just Buddhists. Asatru, Norse/Germanic cultures, too. It ticks me off we have to give up things sacred to us because they’ve been misused. Aleister Crowley reveled in it and played it to the hilt, though. Yeats was not amused.
And Hindu.
Probably more, too.
Because fascists have no creativity.
As a general rule at least… I guess you can end up with a Leni Riefenstahl every now and then, but for the most part, if you were a good artist at the time in Germany, you were a target. And I guess one could call Josef Mengele “creative” if you remove all positive connotations from the word.
I had to wiki her, and read about Blue Light and her first propaganda film. And her “how could we know.” I guess for me it shows how easily anyone, dreamers and realists alike, can fall under the spell of skilled orators, especially the disenfranchised, wounded, left behind. Which is why I think it’s important to leave pettiness and insults behind and beneath us, and rise to healing language and honesty, first with ourselves, and then extended to our kindred. Because we are them and they are us. We just mirror our better and worst selves to each other. If what we see as the worst in ourselves repel us and cause us to use unconscionable language and tactics, why would our kindred react differently?
I’m not talking about crimes against things or even necessarily institutions, but about crimes against humanity. The most poignant rl illustration I can refer to is the attempted genocide to the Jewish people, to now the near complete genocide of the Palestinian people. It was wrong then and it’s wrong now.
Conservatives are incapable of original thought. Every joke they have and every insult they sling is just something they heard from a leftist, bastardized.
Maybe leftists could drop the insults and adopt healing language…
The right has gone full Reich.
No. I would rather go to prison than ever speak kindly to a Nazi.
I don’t think “they go low, we go low” is improving anything.
Killing Nazis is high, not low. Don’t be a fence sitter about fucking Nazis. JFC centrists are so unhelpful.
I’m talking about rhetoric. Friend, I’m probably more left than you might imagine. And I’d very well imagine the current Israeli administration saying the same thing you just said, about Palestinians. As I age, and continue to temper the worst parts of myself, I’ve come to
understand, innerstand,* overstand, and understand, good and evil may be opposites, but they occupy the same spectrum as life and death, light and darkness. I pray at some point, you will, too.*The tech-moneymasters who appropriate all things to ai in their bid to be omniscient immortals can’t seem to grasp the value of certain other appropriated words, yet.
Philosophy doesn’t mean shit in a genocide.
Everybody appropriates.
This language that you are speaking is appropriated from a bunch of other languages and cultures.
Is it appropriation if you treat people and their culture with respect? Because i dont think the issue here is how the KKK dresses. It is what they stand for ideologically and what they do. That is what makes it appropriation imo.
I want to agree with you, but I’m not so sure. I think different individuals have very different thoughts on that. And now I need to sit with this for a while.
Yes, has no inherent bias or prejudice.
Are you asking me?
That’s true.
True, but there are nuances. Stealing a symbol and giving it new meaning by using it for a different purpose is obviously a worse kind of appropriation than adopting language and culture.
So it’s not just regular appropriation, it’s the bad kind of appropriation. Because they’re bad.
Have I got that right?
Appropriation implies a form of exclusivity and denying the original’s validity. As in:
KKK took that symbol and forever changed everyone’s association with it to their own org.
It’s not appropriation to use a thing, it’s appropriation to treat your use of the thing as the correct/real one.
Yes. Cause it’s different when I do it. I really have to sit with this.
So annoying. Same with swastika.
Specifically Catholic. It’s a great example of appropriation.
So just a slightly different flavor.
To give some context, originally a ‘nazareno’ is somebody paying penitence for sins committed since last years Easter. Part of their ‘penitence’ is to march in procession covered with those robes. The ‘capirote’ (the hood) is intended to keep those sinners (that could be important or well known people) anonymous.
I’m not sure if this is still valid today or if it’s now just a performance. Someone from the south of Spain will more about that than myself.
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