I read a Reddit (through RDX mind you) post the other day that included the Who we serve page from the democrats’ website. The user noted that men were not on that list and pointed it out as on of the reasons Kamala Harris had lost. Meaning the Democratic Party should pander to the white young men demographic as well. A link to the post (through RDX)

I keep seeing this sentiment over and over again on social media. And I can’t help but make the analogy to the “All lives matter.” as opposed to “Black Lives matter.” Am I wrong to think this? I am not from the United States. Please don’t bite my head off as this is no stupid questions.

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      Bullshit.

      I voted for Harris, but I understand why people gave up.

      I have cancer, under Harris, I would have still had a struggle to afford my medications AND work at the same time. As it was, I was condemned to a life of poverty to afford my medications, choosing to not have a job so I could get the ACA to cover my $18k a month medications. Debating on whether I should be condemned to the poverty of disability or continue trying to find a way to work.

      I will die under Trump, but for a lot of people, the prospect of just waiting and waiting for help that will never come? They got tired and were willing to watch it all burn because what’s the fucking point if no one is coming to save you either way?

      In a way, at least my death here will be swift instead of stressful-to-the-end-of-my-life-in-poverty. I can see why some people chose that. I’m 43 and I’m exhausted, I’m sure there’s more who are even more exhausted than me, because cancer didn’t hit me until I was 42 (I guess cancer is the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything), and many many many people were suffering under similar issues far younger. So they just chose to abandon the Dems because the Dems abandoned them.

      The Dems were busy trying to get WAR CRIMINAL Dick Cheney on their side like that matters to people who are struggling. They spent the election crowing about how good the economy was when it was realistically only good for the already obscenely wealthy. They told railroad unions to go fuck themselves, they don’t get to strike (and then followed up with trains chemical bombing whole cities in derailments). They were willing to hand the Republicans literally everything they wanted in a border bill because FUCK them DREAMers, I guess.

      They abandoned us and continue to abandon us, and I understand why people who have been abandoned don’t show up to vote.

      Honestly so few people actually gave a fuck about Palestine its a joke to bring up. It’s not like anyone even knows who the fuck Rachel Corrie is, and if they cared about Palestine, they would be chanting her fucking name to this god damned day. American citizen murdered with a bulldozer so Israel could steal Palestinian land, over 20 years later and still no one gives a shit. Americans were never going to give a fuck about Gaza, they’re all too god damned selfish.

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        I was excited when Harris first announced and started calling out Trump on his bullshit. Then she was non-committal in actually withholding arms from Israel due to their constantly violating the conditions of being sent those weapons. Then she said that burning a flag was unAmerican or something close enough. Then it went to the step of trying to appeal to Republican voters instead of trying to motivate undecided and apathetic voters, who are the people that helped Obama win with his campaign of hope and change.

        I can completely understand someone who has given up because the Dems are just slow walking the decline, not actually improving anything. It is so fucking demoralizing that the Dems can’t learn anything.

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          who are the people that helped Obama win with his campaign of hope and change.

          They became the establishment that helped Hillary lose to Trump.

          Obama had a winning message and he failed to follow through on a lot of it. It was about hope and more importantly CHANGE.

          The change never came, and the candidates that came after never promised hope OR change. People stopped believing Democrats were offering either hope or change. Because they weren’t, they were offering “don’t rock the boat, it might upset the rich.”

          I mean, even Obama offered up RomneyCare instead of something more progressive. People got wise to that over time. It made them feel defeated.

          Trump offered change, it’s that simple. Most in this country are sadly too uneducated to really realize what his type of change means.

          Democrats were too busy worrying about whether they could actually implement policy, so they tried to only make promises they could keep, and with Republicans obstructing everything they did, they stopped making real, useful promises to the electorate.

          People loved Sanders whether he could make his agenda happen or not, case in point. Nobody likes a policy wonk telling them “no, wait longer.”

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            Obama had a winning message and he failed to follow through on a lot of it. It was about hope and more importantly CHANGE.

            Dems failed spectacularly by not getting rid of the filibuster when their supermajority had a couple dissenters. If they had actually followed through instead of letting Republicans obstruct when they had two houses and the oval office they could have shown that change and kept the momentum going. Well, if they actually sold their success, which they are also terrible at.

            Instead they held onto their safety blanket that the Republicans neutered to stack the courts, and will absolutely throw out if they get the House too so they can pass all the terrible laws they want.

            Dems screwed themselves.

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              Obama in his book says similar things about the filibuster. It’s his major regret, not ending it when he had the chance so that he could’ve done more.

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      By that same logic…

      People could ask why Kamala insisted on doubling down on support of a genocide knowing it was seriously hurting her chances to stop trump.

      If voters always have to compromise and politicians can do what they want with no consequences…

      That’s how Republicans got stuck with trump.

      Not having standards is not an effective way to fight fascism, especially when the alternative you’re holding your nose for won’t actually try to get rid of fascists because the only other option being fascist is the only reason they can win (sometimes).

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        Because as much as Palestine is supported on lemmy there’s a lot of support for Israel within the party as well.

        Part of what the Trump campaign did successfully was make both of those caucuses believe that Democrats can offer them nothing while Trump might offer them a solution.

        In practice, I would be surprised if Palestine isn’t leveled under the Trump administration with prejudice. Trump hasn’t been particularly kind to Muslims from what I’ve seen.