• Varyk@sh.itjust.works
      72·
      14 days ago

      “You’ve been duped and you don’t know it.”

      more vague fabrications?

      not as convincing as you hope.

      “I was referring to why you’ve been told lies by politicians.”

      my evidence is from credible news sources with long-term reliability, not politicians, which you put too much stock in.

      If you’re just learning that politicians don’t always tell the truth, you should avoid doling out political advice for a while.

      “You’re very much a victim of propaganda.”

      oh, more vague insults without any evidence?

      look at that.

      instead of making things up, try to address the points I’ve made.

      you know, the very clear definition of genocide being perpetrated by Israel, going back half a century?

      The actual relevant material in this thread.

      you can continue making stuff up and sounding clueless, but exposing your ignorance isn’t doing you any favors so far.

        • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
          41·
          14 days ago

          “you’re not reading a goddamn thing that I write”

          I’m reading all of your vague irrelevant implications, they’re just completely immaterial to what we’re talking about.

          they don’t matter, so I don’t care.

          “You’re dishonest in your approach to the conversation”

          your claim is that Israel is not committing a genocide according to the definition of genocide.

          you have no evidence to support your claim.

          according to the definition of genocide, Israel is committing genocide against Palestine right now systematically persecuting their ethnicity, culture and nationality.

          you have no rebuttal to the genocide and you have no evidence for your false claim.

          “Have a good day”

          done and done.

        • Count042@lemmy.mlEnglish
          2·
          14 days ago

          They’re literally quoting you and responding to the literal quote.

          You just don’t like what they’re saying.

            • Count042@lemmy.mlEnglish
              2·
              13 days ago

              This forum is all the better because it doesn’t have genocide justifying fascist scum on it.

              You didn’t say anything that would make anyone think. You posted rants about how ignorant people who responded to you were while ignoring not just their valid points but all of their points.

              You are a failure morally. You’re also a failure at arguing. You wouldn’t convince anyone that didn’t already agree with you in the first place. If you’re posting with the hope of having any impact on the minds of others I would suggest you don’t even bother. You’re just wasting everyone’s time.

    • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
      52·
      14 days ago

      This is a genocide on an incarcerated population, within an Apartheid State, founded on Ethnic Cleansing, which is central to Zionism. Israel has no right to do any of those things. The only real solution is a regime change to a One-State Solution with equal rights for all Israelis and Palestinians.

      Ethnic Cleansing is fundamental to Zionism

      Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.

      The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.

      An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.

      Settlements and Occupation

      Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.

      This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.

      The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:

      Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:

      While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements

      The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.

      The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.

      Apartheid Evidence

      Amnesty Report

      Human Rights Watch Report

      B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer

      Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing

      Peace Process and Solution

      Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

      How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

      ‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

      One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

      Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.

      Historian Works on the History