It really isn’t. Companies absolutely love using it as an excuse for why their shit product sold like shit, but these people are absolutely out there.
Go spend 10 minutes on 4chan’s /v/ideogames board or /b/ - Random board for the most obvious and quick demonstration.
Edit: nevermind, other comments show this is clearly in bad faith, not just someone truly unaware.
Look, there are absolutely problems surrounding use and misuse of LGBT, female, and minority characters in games. But there are two sides of this.
For every instance of a studio going “the gay character is perfect because how dare you imply an LGBT person could be flawed in any way” there are people shitting on a game because they included a gay person at all.
Just like for every studio going “there aren’t minorities because the game is set in (or the setting is based on) a time and place where they were not really present” (pretty sure the Witcher series got some flak over the lack of minorities) there are actual open racists making games. Indie devs posting shit like YWNBAW about MtF trans people.
Argue all you want about how important any of the particular instances are, but denying they exist is such peak bullshit that you immediately lose any ground to stand on.
I don’t base my view of society on fringe opinions esp if they are linked to corpo propaganda.
I highly doubt most people share this sentiment. But normal healthy opinions are not provocative, they don’t get people going so online discussions is all about blowing up fringe opinions
While true, that is absolutely not what you were saying.
People having fringe opinions are still people who exist. Your personal choices about how much they matter or don’t doesn’t materially effect their existence.
No, you explicitly were saying that you had never heard anyone criticise a piece of media for including a minority.
Then you claimed that it was a strawman (further implying such people do not exist).
I pointed out that those people do exist, most obviously on 4chan, and that whether or not you think they matter has no bearing on whether or not they exist.
I never made any claims as to how important those opinions on 4chan were. I likewise did not say anything about them only existing there.
Pretending people with those opinions do not exist is provably wrong with minimal effort and intellectually dishonest. There’s no argument I’m making here. Nothing but me pointing out fact that you have decided doesn’t matter because some companies have used it as to excuse valid criticism.
We can all see your comment history in this chain man. Moving the goalposts like this is just sad.
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There’s nothing in this conversation that you could even consider a strawman, yet, so I don’t know what you think that word means.
However, I must just assume you aren’t part of a minority community if you haven’t been affected by people constantly bitching about how some piece of media is too woke now because it had a woman/gay person/trans person/person of colour existing in the content. Yes, they are a vocal minority. But it is by no means uncommon to encounter them.
You may see substantially less of it on Lemmy since it is a predominantly left leaning space in general, and the left tends to be more accepting of non cishet white male presence
must just assume you aren’t part of a minority community if you haven’t been affected by people constantly bitching about how some piece of media is too woke now because it had a woman/gay person/trans person/person of colour existing in the content.
You are “affaceted” by the shit people say online about video games?
You do understand that at any given everything you can imagine is being said?
Do you go out of your way to find this “content” to get “triggered”?
People have a right to criticize video games and their developers, it is your right to make a judgement if that criticism is valid.
I am not following how you are “affected” by online discussions lol
It’s been taken off Wikipedia but there was a video a few years ago pointing out fox news only became profitable when they switched to the brown people bad and fear rhetoric. There was a theory name for it but it’s since been scrubbed from the internet. That’s the basis of conservativism.
Funny because you are the first person I hear to say thing.
That’s a great thing! You’ve managed to avoid the torrent of awful people spouting those ideologies.
Sounds like a strawman…
It really isn’t. Companies absolutely love using it as an excuse for why their shit product sold like shit, but these people are absolutely out there.
Go spend 10 minutes on 4chan’s /v/ideogames board or /b/ - Random board for the most obvious and quick demonstration.
Edit: nevermind, other comments show this is clearly in bad faith, not just someone truly unaware.
Look, there are absolutely problems surrounding use and misuse of LGBT, female, and minority characters in games. But there are two sides of this.
For every instance of a studio going “the gay character is perfect because how dare you imply an LGBT person could be flawed in any way” there are people shitting on a game because they included a gay person at all.
Just like for every studio going “there aren’t minorities because the game is set in (or the setting is based on) a time and place where they were not really present” (pretty sure the Witcher series got some flak over the lack of minorities) there are actual open racists making games. Indie devs posting shit like YWNBAW about MtF trans people.
Argue all you want about how important any of the particular instances are, but denying they exist is such peak bullshit that you immediately lose any ground to stand on.
I don’t base my view of society on fringe opinions esp if they are linked to corpo propaganda.
I highly doubt most people share this sentiment. But normal healthy opinions are not provocative, they don’t get people going so online discussions is all about blowing up fringe opinions
While true, that is absolutely not what you were saying.
People having fringe opinions are still people who exist. Your personal choices about how much they matter or don’t doesn’t materially effect their existence.
I am saying that basing your argument based on some opinions posted on 4chan is a 🤡 exercise
No, you explicitly were saying that you had never heard anyone criticise a piece of media for including a minority.
Then you claimed that it was a strawman (further implying such people do not exist).
I pointed out that those people do exist, most obviously on 4chan, and that whether or not you think they matter has no bearing on whether or not they exist.
I never made any claims as to how important those opinions on 4chan were. I likewise did not say anything about them only existing there.
Pretending people with those opinions do not exist is provably wrong with minimal effort and intellectually dishonest. There’s no argument I’m making here. Nothing but me pointing out fact that you have decided doesn’t matter because some companies have used it as to excuse valid criticism.
We can all see your comment history in this chain man. Moving the goalposts like this is just sad.
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There’s nothing in this conversation that you could even consider a strawman, yet, so I don’t know what you think that word means.
However, I must just assume you aren’t part of a minority community if you haven’t been affected by people constantly bitching about how some piece of media is too woke now because it had a woman/gay person/trans person/person of colour existing in the content. Yes, they are a vocal minority. But it is by no means uncommon to encounter them.
You may see substantially less of it on Lemmy since it is a predominantly left leaning space in general, and the left tends to be more accepting of non cishet white male presence
You are “affaceted” by the shit people say online about video games?
You do understand that at any given everything you can imagine is being said?
Do you go out of your way to find this “content” to get “triggered”?
People have a right to criticize video games and their developers, it is your right to make a judgement if that criticism is valid.
I am not following how you are “affected” by online discussions lol
Eh, I gave you the benefit of the doubt but it doesn’t seem you’re here to have a good faith discussion.
People have every right to criticise whatever they want. I never said they didn’t. Goodbye, troll.
It’s been taken off Wikipedia but there was a video a few years ago pointing out fox news only became profitable when they switched to the brown people bad and fear rhetoric. There was a theory name for it but it’s since been scrubbed from the internet. That’s the basis of conservativism.