It really isn’t. Companies absolutely love using it as an excuse for why their shit product sold like shit, but these people are absolutely out there.
Go spend 10 minutes on 4chan’s /v/ideogames board or /b/ - Random board for the most obvious and quick demonstration.
Edit: nevermind, other comments show this is clearly in bad faith, not just someone truly unaware.
Look, there are absolutely problems surrounding use and misuse of LGBT, female, and minority characters in games. But there are two sides of this.
For every instance of a studio going “the gay character is perfect because how dare you imply an LGBT person could be flawed in any way” there are people shitting on a game because they included a gay person at all.
Just like for every studio going “there aren’t minorities because the game is set in (or the setting is based on) a time and place where they were not really present” (pretty sure the Witcher series got some flak over the lack of minorities) there are actual open racists making games. Indie devs posting shit like YWNBAW about MtF trans people.
Argue all you want about how important any of the particular instances are, but denying they exist is such peak bullshit that you immediately lose any ground to stand on.
I don’t base my view of society on fringe opinions esp if they are linked to corpo propaganda.
I highly doubt most people share this sentiment. But normal healthy opinions are not provocative, they don’t get people going so online discussions is all about blowing up fringe opinions
While true, that is absolutely not what you were saying.
People having fringe opinions are still people who exist. Your personal choices about how much they matter or don’t doesn’t materially effect their existence.
No, you explicitly were saying that you had never heard anyone criticise a piece of media for including a minority.
Then you claimed that it was a strawman (further implying such people do not exist).
I pointed out that those people do exist, most obviously on 4chan, and that whether or not you think they matter has no bearing on whether or not they exist.
I never made any claims as to how important those opinions on 4chan were. I likewise did not say anything about them only existing there.
Pretending people with those opinions do not exist is provably wrong with minimal effort and intellectually dishonest. There’s no argument I’m making here. Nothing but me pointing out fact that you have decided doesn’t matter because some companies have used it as to excuse valid criticism.
We can all see your comment history in this chain man. Moving the goalposts like this is just sad.
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It really isn’t. Companies absolutely love using it as an excuse for why their shit product sold like shit, but these people are absolutely out there.
Go spend 10 minutes on 4chan’s /v/ideogames board or /b/ - Random board for the most obvious and quick demonstration.
Edit: nevermind, other comments show this is clearly in bad faith, not just someone truly unaware.
Look, there are absolutely problems surrounding use and misuse of LGBT, female, and minority characters in games. But there are two sides of this.
For every instance of a studio going “the gay character is perfect because how dare you imply an LGBT person could be flawed in any way” there are people shitting on a game because they included a gay person at all.
Just like for every studio going “there aren’t minorities because the game is set in (or the setting is based on) a time and place where they were not really present” (pretty sure the Witcher series got some flak over the lack of minorities) there are actual open racists making games. Indie devs posting shit like YWNBAW about MtF trans people.
Argue all you want about how important any of the particular instances are, but denying they exist is such peak bullshit that you immediately lose any ground to stand on.
I don’t base my view of society on fringe opinions esp if they are linked to corpo propaganda.
I highly doubt most people share this sentiment. But normal healthy opinions are not provocative, they don’t get people going so online discussions is all about blowing up fringe opinions
While true, that is absolutely not what you were saying.
People having fringe opinions are still people who exist. Your personal choices about how much they matter or don’t doesn’t materially effect their existence.
I am saying that basing your argument based on some opinions posted on 4chan is a 🤡 exercise
No, you explicitly were saying that you had never heard anyone criticise a piece of media for including a minority.
Then you claimed that it was a strawman (further implying such people do not exist).
I pointed out that those people do exist, most obviously on 4chan, and that whether or not you think they matter has no bearing on whether or not they exist.
I never made any claims as to how important those opinions on 4chan were. I likewise did not say anything about them only existing there.
Pretending people with those opinions do not exist is provably wrong with minimal effort and intellectually dishonest. There’s no argument I’m making here. Nothing but me pointing out fact that you have decided doesn’t matter because some companies have used it as to excuse valid criticism.
We can all see your comment history in this chain man. Moving the goalposts like this is just sad.
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