A Maryland police officer was convicted on Friday of charges that he joined a mob’s Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol and hurled a smoke bomb and other objects at police officers guarding a tunnel entrance.
U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden heard two days of trial testimony without a jury this week before he found Montgomery County Police Officer Justin Lee guilty of two felonies and three misdemeanors. The judge, who also acquitted Lee of two other misdemeanors, is scheduled to sentence him on Nov. 22.
Lee, 26, ignited and threw a smoke bomb into the tunnel entrance on the Capitol’s Lower West Terrace, where a mob of rioters attacked a group of outnumbered police officers. The device struck a police officer’s riot shield and filled the mouth of the tunnel with a large plume of smoke, prosecutors said.
I don’t feel like going into the larger point of ACAB. Not that it isn’t something i don’t feel very strongly about but this chain is addressing your first bullet only.
If i ran into some shithead right winger bigot using that argument, i would tell them this:
"Wrong. A cop is a chosen profession.
A trans person is a trans person no matter the state of their transition. "
Is it morally right to judge negatively the person merely based on the profession they choose?
Just as it’s not right to judge the person based on what identity they choose to subscribe to? After all, if everyone is free to identify as who they want, why suddenly is your career a vector from which you’re allowed to sling mud at the person, and not even based on that individual but merely because of being a part of the group?
So, is Eugene Goodman a bastard?
Yes.
Then:
Is Eugene Goodman a bastard?
No Law enforcement should exist and should be abolished tomorrow?
Edit: Ah, not quite as quick to respond this time. I wonder why… Do you see the checkmate in 2 moves?
Golly that’s awfully convenient that you’re defining the narrow parameter of your response; for when we widen the scope the entire argument collapses. I wonder why those two questions are so difficult for you to answer…
But sure, by your logic since gender and name are chosen, then they are fair game to cast prejudice and stereotype, yes? Of course not. But then that applies to anything that is chosen. Where you live, your religion, career, etc. Fundamental to your prejudice isn’t the matter of choice, but the statistical fallacy that is over-generalizing all within a group.
No, of course that isn’t my point.
Listen lennybird…i am actually starting to get angry with you. Ill address your quote in a second, but first
Like a door-to-door salesman, you are running around this thread talking at people. You are selling your point, not listening to anyone. Do you suppose i haven’t seen your behavior and your point in this thread already, and your derision?
You only speak to be heard. Why would anyone not slam the door in your face?
Ok, now let’s get at your quote.
This one, and your other one together paint a very unflattering picture of your understanding of sexuality and gender. If i thought you were someone interested in learning, i might take the time to sit you down and explain that, but that’s not who you are.
I’m done patronizing you, because i get a stinking feeling that if i drilled down to what you’re really think about sexuality and gender i might not like it.
This is me trying thru the internet to get to the human, putting a hand on your shoulder electrinically, addressing you as a human being.
Don’t respond to me, i have heard absolutely enough.
Aw come on, now… Don’t hit-and-run like that!
Oh goodness, will I not like you when you are angry? Are you the Hulk?
Let me be abundantly-clear that I feel the same way with many of those I’m conversing with. Naturally I knew when I asked my question in the lion’s den of sorts consisting of tankies and anarchists and socialists – some of whom have rightful grievances against law-enforcement – that I would get quite a strong backlash. The nature of such discussion centered around strong convictions and fueled by emotion (read: your anger) is that a shift in viewpoint doesn’t happen overnight because the neural pathways are worn-in. It takes time. We’re just working through that, is all. This pile-up on me was to be expected, so I really don’t know what the point you’re trying to make here is other than my simply responding to the many commments from other users that I’ve received and engaged wholeheartedly with.
Again, a name, a religion, a gender, a region – can very often albeit not always be a choice. Nothing wrong with that. Is this REALLY what you want to hinge your entire argument on, that anything that is a choice can be denegrated with prejudice? Because that is precisely the argument that you are making. Besides, some people have no choice but to become cops because that’s the only opportunity that is afforded to them. Forget the fact that you’ve continuously, repeatedly, dodged the statistical fallacy that you are utilizing in making this judgement around All Cops being Bastards.
Ultimately I’m fighting for the likes of Eugene Goodman who are trying to sow change and lead by example by changing the make-up of the Force… And if enough Goodmans joined the force, then there would be a cultural shift. But I can’t believe this argument is so poor that you have me defending cops when elsewhere on another website I’m arguing with MAGA dumbass about how fucked in the head Chauvin was for his murder of George Floyd… And yet here I am because I very much detest generalized arguments built atop bullshit fallacies. So Recognize that your “ACAB” claim – while it may make you feel good and is great for a punk rock concert and moshing in the pits – doesn’t really get to the heart of the problem and in fact utilizes the same rhetorical pathways that racists and sexists and transphobes use in their rhetoric. Recognize that this term ultimately shoots yourself in the foot for your own cause by deterring any GOOD person from attempting to change the culture of the force because they know people like you will unjustly and with great use of fallacy cast them in the same light as the worst among them.
Look at the end of the day the solution is simple and all my complaints are gone: Stop shooting yourself in the foot and simply use a logically-sensible abbreviation like MCAB — Many, or Most Cops are Bastards. This is for the same reason that “Defund the Police” was woefully unpopular as a slogan when polled and largely only backfired.
Ok, I’m not gonna read that dude. You really do speak only for your own amusement. A block it is, which i bet both of us consider a win