• lennybird@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Can we all agree that since we have an age-minimum of 35, then we should have an age-maximum tied to, say, retirement age?

    The argument is simple: nobody is in their prime past retirement age. Nobody. And this by default suggests we guaranteed have better options to run the presidency than some geriatric seniors.

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    Biden already has those codes. If I look at where we started with Trump and where we ended up, and then where Biden picked up and where we ended up, my choice clearly becomes Biden. Trump went from “grab em by the pussy” to Covid to breaking a bunch of laws to an insurrection. Biden cleaned up Trump’s mess and avoided a complete imminent global financial collapse. All things considered, I’d rather see Biden over Trump and it’s too late to try to swap out Biden.

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          Ok, would you care to explain to me why? The way i see it, Biden is and always has been “not Trump”. If you put another person who isn’t trump but is also not a terrible unpopular candidate they would probably get a lot more votes.

          People keep saying it’s too late without giving any proof. Saying that shit is going to MAKE IT too late. Postponing it any is going to make things harder. It’s something that unanimously has to happen right now if we want any chance at not falling to fascism.

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      But have you considered that he didn’t change military policy on Isreal?

      That should be the one and only issue you base your vote on, according to a scary amount of people around here.

      Edit: See? Here they are, saying Trump and Biden are the same. It’s kinda wild to watch.

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        Different people have different priorities. I live in eastern EU. The idea of the US dropping all support for Ukraine is pretty damn scary to me. I obviously can’t vote in the US election, but I will happily support Biden from across the pond due to that one issue.

        To a Palestinian? Yeah, I understand they don’t really care about anything outside the direct issues affecting their people so they’d be anti-Biden.

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          I didn’t realize .ml was populated by so many Palestinians! You’d think they’d have more pressing things to do than post snark on Lemmy.

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          I live in Norway and feel the same way. However I will point out that trump is pro Israel and doesn’t like Muslims. He even wanted to move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

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            He did move the embassy to Jerusalem. It probably helped escalate the tensions that led to the attack and then war.

            It makes me skeptical that much of the anti-Biden rhetoric around Israel/Palestine is either IDF/Russian/Iranian trolls or just terminally online edgelords who haven’t got a clue about the realities of a US election. Namely that letting Biden lose will be much worse for everyone, Palestinians especially.

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          I get why they don’t like Biden. But Trump has openly said that Israel should escalate the attacks and finish off the Palestinians.

          Biden is ignoring genocide. Trump is actively encouraging it.

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        If Biden is okay with murdering Palestinians, what makes you think he’d care about murdering you?

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          Oh, well, you fucking mouth-breathing moron, here’s how: Biden personally told me he likes murdering Palestinians more than me last week at a charity function. We were having manhattans and those little cocktail weenies.

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            Ableist insults generally signify nazism. It’s no surprise coming from a biden/trump supporter.

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            If I were you, I would simply not support genocide. It’s really quite easy! It’s much harder to rationalize it and tell jokes that would have been considered antiquated decades ago!

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          You’re right, better to advocate for him to lose to Trump. He’ll treat me way better.

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              Were you asleep for 4 years or are you truly this disingenuous?

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                I woke up from liberalism in 2016 after the corporate media, which had already lied about the Iraq War and the Vietnam War and plenty of other pretty important things, reassured me that Trump could never win the election. I returned to the USA (big mistake) after living for years in a country with universal health care, and found myself surrounded by liberals who insisted that universal health care is evil and terrible and impossible, though I had used it hundreds of times and thought it was amazing, and was horrified by the possibility that my family would be bankrupted if one of us got into a car accident (for instance). I began to wonder if I was on the right team. I started reading Marxist theory and history, and here I am, asking for someone to explain, using specific policy examples, how the Blue Cheetoh is different from the red one.

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          Look, even if you single issue on Palestine, which is 100% reasonable, the fact of the matter is that life expectancy and quality for Palestinians absolutely goes down significantly further under Trump. He has effectively said as much. Ot is baffling to me how there are people so myopic and stupid as to not see this. If you actually give a shit about even a single Palestinian, Trump is quite clearly an even worse nightmare scenario than they currently experience.

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            “The genocide I am imagining in my mind is worse than the genocide that is currently happening.” — liberals

            I’m not sure there will be any Palestinians left to kill once Biden’s finished with them. If he’s willing to slaughter an entire nation just to enrich his arms dealer puppet masters, what makes you think he’d hesitate to slaughter you?

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              Let’s go with your outline - “I’m not sure there will be any Palestinians left to kill once Biden’s finished with them”. Now, you’ll go and vote for Trump, be delighted that Biden is no longer there, and then what? What do you think you’ll be gaining with Trump in charge?

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                I’m not voting for trump. You don’t actually have to vote for either nazi, especially since the electoral college has probably already nullified your vote.

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              It’s a tragedy that lazy apathetic cynicism like this has a real chance of resulting in an order of magnitude more deaths than have already happened. You won’t have to suffer the consequences of the choices you are contributing to, which is deeply unfortunate and unfair.

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                Tens of thousands of people are dead in Palestine and hundreds of thousands in Ukraine, all thanks in to Biden. A majority of covid deaths (hundreds of thousands, possibly more than a million) happened during Biden’s presidency. One might almost think that it’s not necessary to vote for genocides, especially because you probably don’t even live in a swing state, meaning that your vote is already nullified by the slaveowner-designed constitution.

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                  You are correct here. Notice how they can’t refute the fact those lives were lost by Biden’s incredibly disastrous foreign policy.

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    Well the good news is that if Biden wins all the names being tossed around for 28 are in their 40s or 50s at the oldest.

    I’m crossing my fingers for Whitmer personally.

    Bad news is that if Trump wins, they’ll all probably be in prison by then.

    Vote.

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      The sides are definitely not the same. One side is a fascist, a rapist, and a felon; the other side has trouble being coherent after 6pm.

      They’re not the same, and I know who I’m voting for (not the fascist). But damn do I wish we had some better choices.

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        The other is also aiding and abetting a genocide. I dont think Trump would have done different, but hey, cant forget that little snipet of information.

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          Yeah point out that you’re not happy with Biden’s handling of the Middle East like it would by any different or better under Trump. Can’t forget that one is a fascist and one isn’t, don’t forget that little snippet of information.

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    No one has said it in this thread, and there’s a lot of people talking about how they wish there was another option:

    I’m voting for the Party for Socialism and Liberation and you can too!

    They’re running Claudia de la Cruz on a platform of Palestinian statehood and an end to arms shipments to Israel.

    There are many alternatives.

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          Being a Marxist in 2024 is clown shit as it is, but voting for Marxist-Leninist party in America is just baffling. The cherry on top is that the clown you’re planning to vote for has some mighty interesting policy proposals including:

          • Seizing the 100 biggest corporations in the country
          • Seize the agricultural and energy industries
          • Repurpose the energy industry to generate exclusively renewable energy
          • Expand the transportation system with all an electric fleet while no autoworker loses their job and millions of new, good paying jobs are going to be created
          • Expand affirmative action discrimination
          • Use the assets of the seized top 100 corporations as reparations for black people
          • Cut the military budget by 90%
          • Abolish NATO
          • Support Russia against Ukraine and China against Taiwan
          • Abolish AFRICOM specifically for some reason
          • Abolish the CIA, NSA, and FBI
          • Abolish the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the Federal Reserve
          • Expose all of the America’s state secrets
          • End all American sanctions on dictatorships such as Russia, Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, etc
          • Help aid the destruction of Israel
          • Going on purges to lock up the “corrupt elite”
          • Cancel all debt
          • Eliminate inflation with an “across the board price freeze”
          • Ban evictions and cap rent at 10% of income
          • Tax all income and assets over 10 million over 100%
          • Ban ownership of overseas assets

          It’s like a bad joke, except nobody is laughing. The fact that there are people out there who are so mind numbingly ignorant of economics, government, social politics, history, and geopolitics that they actually think this brain damaged list of policies is a good idea is just sad. Claudia de la Cruz is so bad that she is unironically worse than Trump, and you have to try really, really hard to be worse than Trump. Literally a turd is better than Trump, so for her to be worse is just… wow. Do better, come on.

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            i’m already convinced to vote for her, you don’t need to make the case.

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                Can you tell me what’s bad about that platform?

                Even with the uncharitable wording you used on some items it seems like a huge list of good policies and goals that would help the American people. How come it’s bad?

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                  I’ll give you a genuine answer because I assume you’re actually being serious.

                  I’ll dissect 3 of their policies at random that I already listed above to demonstrate just how of touch these people are. Just an FYI, they have a few more ridiculous policies that I didn’t include because my list was starting to get too long, but I just wanted point this out nonetheless. Anyways, let’s get on to the policies:

                  Abolish NATO

                  Why exactly? In what way does this move benefit the United States? Do these idiots even understand what country they’re running to govern? NATO is an American led organization that has served as the backbone of American-European bilateral cooperation and one of the most fundamental pieces to American foreign policy for decades. Not only does NATO guarantee American security and the security of our most important allies, but it also serves as one of the biggest pillars of American soft and hard power. Rouge regimes like Iran and Russia know better than to mess with our European allies in NATO because they the presence of the US military and it’s might acts as a deterrent. NATO is the symbol of Western unity, it is a stabilizing force in Europe, it is what’s keeping Europe largely peaceful.

                  Not to mention that NATO’s explicit purpose of defending Europe from Russian aggression is more relevant than ever because Russia has literally invaded Ukraine, the second largest European country, right now in the largest land war in Europe since WWII. It’s a blatant act of unprovoked aggression and imperial conquest. Putin along with his cronies have publicly threatened other countries such as Lithuania, Poland, Estonia, Moldova, Latvia, etc with invasion and have threatened other countries such as the UK and Germany with nukes. This is on top of Russia already invading Ukraine in 2014 and annexing Crimea, invading Georgia in 2008 and creating two puppet states in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, illegally turning Belarus into a puppet dictatorship, illegally occupying parts of Moldova in the form of Transnistria, starting the war in Donbass, annexing all of southern Ukraine in their current invasion, spending billions annually on propaganda and misinformation campaigns to destabilize the West, sending in assassins to take out targets in the West, constantly launching cyberattacks on our infrastructure, bolstering our enemies like Iran and North Korea, and the list goes on and on.

                  Why the fuck should we put ourselves and our allies at risk, appease a ruthless dictator, and destroy all of the alliances and good we’ve made? How does abolishing NATO serve our national interests? Calling this idiotic is too generous for what it is.

                  Cancel all debt

                  No debt? Yay! But what does that mean exactly? See, if the policy here is to cancel specific types of debt, then you could excuse it. If it is promoting a welfare program that provides relief to people, then you could make an arguement for it… but no, on their official platform they just straight up claim that all debt should be cancelled.

                  Let’s think about this from a logical point of view for a second. This country has a lot of debt whether it’s public, corporate, or individual… how exactly would cancel it? Is their plan to print money to pay off all of the debt? That’s a one way ticket to inflation. Are they planning to ban loans? That’s another way to screw over the economy, especially poor people. Are they perhaps planning to just to write a statement saying that all debt is hereby void and expect that to actually work? It’s really baffling.

                  Let’s suppose, they manage to actually do it, are new loans going to be allowed? If not, how are they going to prevent the banks from collapsing? Banks literally run on loans, that’s how they work. If the banks collapse, so does everything that uses them, which basically means that the US economy will crash and burn. Is this their genius plan? Is the grand socialist idea to collapse the American economy and plunge the world economy into absolute chaos? I shudder at the thought of how many people will fall into poverty or famine because of this.

                  The thing that pisses me off about this is that they don’t even bother to explain their reasoning. If you’re going to do something this big and stupid then at least have the decency to explain it to your voters. Explain why debt is bad and how you’re going to cancel it. Keeping it this vague and sweet sounding when the consequences are so devastating just reeks of malicious intentions.

                  Seizing the 100 biggest corporations in the country

                  Socialists have this completely out of touch view that if a government seizes large swaths of the economy, it’ll run exactly the same except the public will reap all the benefits… that’s just WRONG! That’s not how it works. We’ve seen time and time again throughout history that planned economies ALWAYS result in failure. The government is way too inefficient, way too slow, way too rigid, and is prone to making poor decisions. This is the actual reason why socialism is a failure as an economic system. All it does is give the government way too much power, which inevitably corrupts it and turns it authoritarian. Unless the government sanctions it’s own corporations that run the same way as private corporations, it’s just not going to work. Do you know what does work? The free market.

                  Let’s sit here for a second and think about how America became so wealthy and developed. All this wealth didn’t teleport here from another dimension, no it was created by the free market. It’s been shown time and time again that when you give people agency and freedom to run their own livelihoods, they will do so better than anyone else. Private economies are constantly more productive, more efficient, more resilient, more dynamic, and more wealthy. You clearly see this contrast throughout in history. Take for example the backwards hellhole that was the East Germany and the thriving hub that was West Germany or the closest thing to hell on earth in Maoist China compared the booming China of the 2000s or the starving authoritarian pit known as the Soviet Union and the prosperous United States. There’s hundreds of examples like this, you get the idea. Capitalism works, and economic freedom is a proven method to generate wealth and prosperity.

                  Is our current economy flawed? Yes, it is. It has a lot of problems that range in severity and scale. However, the solution is to vote in principled politicians who will reform the system to add pragmatic regulations, incentives, and policies to more effectively run the economy to keep it sustainable, accountable, and working to the benefit of the people. The last thing we need is for economically illiterate people stuck to a failed ideology trying to use government power to seize a swath of the economy that will inevitably lead to unprecedented authoritarianism, collapse of the global economy, and money to flee the country in droves.

                  Literally all of their policies are this nonsensical. Every. Single. One. Just the slightest bit of criticism is enough to expose their positions for being nothing more than meaningless drivel.

                  Here’s the thing, politics as a concept is about how best run a government. You can’t run a country on fantasies and outlandish ideals. You NEED to have pragmatism or otherwise you’re going to risk collapse. The big issue with both Trump, and to a lesser extent, Biden is that they’re both out of touch with reality. So much so that they’re widely regarded as the two worst candidates in American history. Even though they’re old and senile, they still at least try in some half assed way to be realistic with their positions. Claudia De la Cruz, Karina Garcia, and all these other clowns are so batshit crazy, so deranged, and so out of touch with reality that they make Biden and fucking Trump look sane in comparison.

                  People who support Marxism in 2024 are victims of propaganda from a bygone era. Marxism is no more, it’s a failed ideology. It has been tried dozens of times across time, culture, and land and it has collapsed every single time. The only thing it has to show for it is tyrannical regimes, famines, and widespread poverty. The ideology has a track record that’s on par, or arguably worse, than fascism. The era of Marxism is gone and it’s not coming back. The ideals of the Soviet bloc were never good, but now they’re just irrelevant. It’s time to move on.

                  I understand that it’s hard to vote for either Trump or Biden, but this? This is even worse. Marxism and this clown party aren’t genuine alternative and never will be. There’s appetite for a new political, economic, and social system not just in the US, but around the globe. With the impending large scale population collapses and shrinking demographics world wide, we will be forced to either work with we got to stay afloat or come up with an entirely new system. If we do innovate a new system it has to be created in the context of this era. It has to be made by people of this era to address issues of this era with solutions designed for this era. Will that be UBI and AI? Who knows. But what I do know is that Marxism definitely doesn’t have a place in the modern world anymore.