I voted 3rd party for 20 years, but I stopped when Trump came to power. It’s not a 10% difference any more. It’s the difference between living in a free and democratic country and living in a fascist dictatorship.
I don’t think OP was suggesting voting third party… America hasn’t had a democracy that works for the majority of the people, for a very long time. The ruling class is not going to let you change the system. Time to think differently.
Sure, but if you genuinely believe this, then you need to be in the streets, breaking the law, and overthrowing the establishment. I’ve got mad respect for people who are willing to do that. I’ve got respect for people who are willing to vote to keep trump and other far right fascists out of power. I’ve got no respect for someone who doesn’t vote, or votes 3rd party when literally everything is on the line, and then grandstands about it on the internet like they are fucking hero. Those morons risked everything for a chance to gain nothing, and the rest of us are stuck with the results of their 20 IQ bet.
This is not useful. You again dodged their meaning and avoided engaging. No where is completely free and the road between democracy and fascism is a spectrum. They obviously articulated that this administration is stripping away freedoms.
Personally, I think correcting misinformation is very important, especially when it’s around such an important topic like “is my nation’s government democratically elected” and “am I free”, especially especially when the answer to both is “no”, so yeah, I think it is useful, actually, but of course, you’re welcome to disagree.
I’m not denying that the Trump administration is terrible. I do disagree that “it’s not a 10% difference anymore”, I’d say it’s probably closer to a 5% difference, if even that. The thing is, if you’re privileged enough, it’s very, very hard to really understand that, because you’ve never really been properly exposed to it - for example, through homelessness - so that’s a very difficult (probably impossible) position to convince someone out of. That’s why I didn’t really address it, because there’s not really any productive conversations to be had there.
I genuinely appreciate the thoughtful and respectful feedback, though. Thanks <3
Again, talking past someone. It’s not close, engaging in war without Congress, using the purse without Congress are drastic and alarming departures from the norm.
You’re using sweeping generalizations to vindicate doing nothing.
I don’t see how I’m talking past you, I directly addressed the argument. The differences between the democrats and the republicans are mainly aesthetic and procedural. The whole “no war without a vote in congress” is a great example, they’re not mad that kids are being blown up, they’re mad that the proper procedure to blow up kids was not followed.
I’m not using sweeping generalizations and I’m not doing nothing. I’m encouraging people to get involved with activism and it’s people like you throwing a tantrum about that because I am daring to question your world view.
If you have an argument, then make it. I’m done with the meta-argument.
If Dems were in power now, they’d do fascism too. The economic contradictions have simply increased to a point where fascism is necessary for capitalism to remain profitable for the ultra rich.
I voted 3rd party for 20 years, but I stopped when Trump came to power. It’s not a 10% difference any more. It’s the difference between living in a free and democratic country and living in a fascist dictatorship.
I don’t think OP was suggesting voting third party… America hasn’t had a democracy that works for the majority of the people, for a very long time. The ruling class is not going to let you change the system. Time to think differently.
Sure, but if you genuinely believe this, then you need to be in the streets, breaking the law, and overthrowing the establishment. I’ve got mad respect for people who are willing to do that. I’ve got respect for people who are willing to vote to keep trump and other far right fascists out of power. I’ve got no respect for someone who doesn’t vote, or votes 3rd party when literally everything is on the line, and then grandstands about it on the internet like they are fucking hero. Those morons risked everything for a chance to gain nothing, and the rest of us are stuck with the results of their 20 IQ bet.
Same
The US has never been free nor democratic
This is not useful. You again dodged their meaning and avoided engaging. No where is completely free and the road between democracy and fascism is a spectrum. They obviously articulated that this administration is stripping away freedoms.
Personally, I think correcting misinformation is very important, especially when it’s around such an important topic like “is my nation’s government democratically elected” and “am I free”, especially especially when the answer to both is “no”, so yeah, I think it is useful, actually, but of course, you’re welcome to disagree.
I’m not denying that the Trump administration is terrible. I do disagree that “it’s not a 10% difference anymore”, I’d say it’s probably closer to a 5% difference, if even that. The thing is, if you’re privileged enough, it’s very, very hard to really understand that, because you’ve never really been properly exposed to it - for example, through homelessness - so that’s a very difficult (probably impossible) position to convince someone out of. That’s why I didn’t really address it, because there’s not really any productive conversations to be had there.
I genuinely appreciate the thoughtful and respectful feedback, though. Thanks <3
Again, talking past someone. It’s not close, engaging in war without Congress, using the purse without Congress are drastic and alarming departures from the norm.
You’re using sweeping generalizations to vindicate doing nothing.
I don’t see how I’m talking past you, I directly addressed the argument. The differences between the democrats and the republicans are mainly aesthetic and procedural. The whole “no war without a vote in congress” is a great example, they’re not mad that kids are being blown up, they’re mad that the proper procedure to blow up kids was not followed.
I’m not using sweeping generalizations and I’m not doing nothing. I’m encouraging people to get involved with activism and it’s people like you throwing a tantrum about that because I am daring to question your world view.
If you have an argument, then make it. I’m done with the meta-argument.
If Dems were in power now, they’d do fascism too. The economic contradictions have simply increased to a point where fascism is necessary for capitalism to remain profitable for the ultra rich.
I mean maybe, but well never know for sure because Americans voted for the people who outright stated “get in loser we’re going fascist”