DDR4 isn’t as much a part of the memory shortage, though that seems to be shifting because DDR5 is jacked up. They’re pulling a solid for consumers by releasing a cheap motherboard where memory can be gotten, or giving a transition for users with older components.
I’m pondering whether to sell my 4x8Gb DDR4 sticks after recently upgrading to 2x32 or hold on to those if I want to build another system or my current sticks die all of a sudden.
The problem with this is that companies were winding DOWN DDR4 production before AI bought all the DDR5 RAM. So if no one can get DDR5, attention will shift to the already dwindling supply of DDR4 aaaaand… well, prices are already up and it’s not going to get better.
There is existing DDR4 in existing machines that can be scavenged that would otherwise probably just be thrown out. I understand that secondhand memory was an industry even before the surge, remember reading a recent article about some California company that would strip servers of old DIMMs and sell them, mostly to China. The CEO was being interviewed, said that sales had surged recently.
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I don’t think that these guys are them, think this is a different California company doing basically the same thing, but illustrates the point:
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I mean, I’ve thrown out old DIMMs. Wasn’t worth my time hassling with trying to resell them. But if they’re worth enough due to price increases, it’ll increase the number of companies who are willing to go to the effort to recoup some of the value of the DIMMs. Companies can buy them, re-certify them, and sell them.
Obviously, that’s not an unlimited supply, but the window in which it’s of increased interest is probably only something like three years, so it doesn’t have to last forever (or even fully offset the shortage to make sense to do, just partially-mitigate it).
The scavenging is making it more difficult looking for a SFF PC on fleaBay. More and more listings say “no RAM/no SSD” and the ones that have it are barebones or far more expensive. Even laptops are heading that way. Yuck.
Yeah, honestly, if it becomes enough of an issue, maybe eBay and similar should create separate sections for machines with memory and those without. I mean, there are reasons people would want to get a system without memory too, especially if one’s looking for other parts, but I do totally get that it’s super-obnoxious if there isn’t a way to filter those out and one is looking for one with memory.
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It doesn’t look like eBay has a “0 GB” memory category, annoyingly enough, but they do have a “Not specified” category with a ton of listings. That’s not absolutely the same thing, since if you filter “Not specified” out, I’m sure that it might also exclude some listings that have an unknown amount of memory, but I’d guess that that’d get you most of the way there, and I do see people clearly listing machines with no memory in that category.
EDIT: Honestly, the rate of mis-classified listings there by users is pretty bad, even aside from eBay not providing a “0 GB” category. I was very surprised to see that there were a bunch of 512 GB listings. Looks like that’s essentially all people selling machines with 512 GB SSDs and choosing the wrong option.
But if they’re worth enough due to price increases, it’ll increase the number of companies who are willing to recoup some of the value of the DIMMs.
meaning that prices of DDR4 HAVE TO GO UP in the first place for companies to even want to try to sell their old stock. So we’re still going to be suffering from increased prices as a result of AI.
So good that now there might be a market for people to NOT throw away their sticks, but it’s still going to get rough for people trying to make a new machine in 2026 and beyond.
I mean, there was a pre-existing used memory market, so some scavenging was already happening, but yeah, I’m not saying that increases in scavenging will fully cover the shortage. Just reduce it, which will reduce the degree to which prices rise relative to the scenario where the only memory available is newly-manufactured.
That’s why I said “as much”. Since DDR5 went crazy, people started buying DDR4, which is driving the price up, but still only at a 2x increase vs 5x for DDR5.
DDR4 isn’t as much a part of the memory shortage, though that seems to be shifting because DDR5 is jacked up. They’re pulling a solid for consumers by releasing a cheap motherboard where memory can be gotten, or giving a transition for users with older components.
yep
https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/
ddr4 looks to have doubled in price but ddr5 is up 5x
I’m pondering whether to sell my 4x8Gb DDR4 sticks after recently upgrading to 2x32 or hold on to those if I want to build another system or my current sticks die all of a sudden.
I sold all my back-stock of RAM. It helps relieve pressure and all that RAM was destined to sit in a box for years otherwise.
You know the right answer to this question.
The problem with this is that companies were winding DOWN DDR4 production before AI bought all the DDR5 RAM. So if no one can get DDR5, attention will shift to the already dwindling supply of DDR4 aaaaand… well, prices are already up and it’s not going to get better.
There is existing DDR4 in existing machines that can be scavenged that would otherwise probably just be thrown out. I understand that secondhand memory was an industry even before the surge, remember reading a recent article about some California company that would strip servers of old DIMMs and sell them, mostly to China. The CEO was being interviewed, said that sales had surged recently.
searches
I don’t think that these guys are them, think this is a different California company doing basically the same thing, but illustrates the point:
https://www.ramexchange.net/
I mean, I’ve thrown out old DIMMs. Wasn’t worth my time hassling with trying to resell them. But if they’re worth enough due to price increases, it’ll increase the number of companies who are willing to go to the effort to recoup some of the value of the DIMMs. Companies can buy them, re-certify them, and sell them.
Obviously, that’s not an unlimited supply, but the window in which it’s of increased interest is probably only something like three years, so it doesn’t have to last forever (or even fully offset the shortage to make sense to do, just partially-mitigate it).
The scavenging is making it more difficult looking for a SFF PC on fleaBay. More and more listings say “no RAM/no SSD” and the ones that have it are barebones or far more expensive. Even laptops are heading that way. Yuck.
Yeah, honestly, if it becomes enough of an issue, maybe eBay and similar should create separate sections for machines with memory and those without. I mean, there are reasons people would want to get a system without memory too, especially if one’s looking for other parts, but I do totally get that it’s super-obnoxious if there isn’t a way to filter those out and one is looking for one with memory.
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It doesn’t look like eBay has a “0 GB” memory category, annoyingly enough, but they do have a “Not specified” category with a ton of listings. That’s not absolutely the same thing, since if you filter “Not specified” out, I’m sure that it might also exclude some listings that have an unknown amount of memory, but I’d guess that that’d get you most of the way there, and I do see people clearly listing machines with no memory in that category.
EDIT: Honestly, the rate of mis-classified listings there by users is pretty bad, even aside from eBay not providing a “0 GB” category. I was very surprised to see that there were a bunch of 512 GB listings. Looks like that’s essentially all people selling machines with 512 GB SSDs and choosing the wrong option.
I get where you’re coming from but
meaning that prices of DDR4 HAVE TO GO UP in the first place for companies to even want to try to sell their old stock. So we’re still going to be suffering from increased prices as a result of AI.
So good that now there might be a market for people to NOT throw away their sticks, but it’s still going to get rough for people trying to make a new machine in 2026 and beyond.
I mean, there was a pre-existing used memory market, so some scavenging was already happening, but yeah, I’m not saying that increases in scavenging will fully cover the shortage. Just reduce it, which will reduce the degree to which prices rise relative to the scenario where the only memory available is newly-manufactured.
The RAM I just bought last week was 4 times the identical purchase 14 months ago.
You sure it’s not part of the shortage? Who’s making new ddr4?
That’s why I said “as much”. Since DDR5 went crazy, people started buying DDR4, which is driving the price up, but still only at a 2x increase vs 5x for DDR5.
Hence, the release of this motherboard.