Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

  • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    12·
    6 hours ago

    You mean the colony established over the legitimate Palestinian State?

    1. Palestinian State didn’t exist before the very same resolution that created Israel. It was the Palestinian Region of the Ottoman Empire. It’s like calling people living in the Alps “Alpians” and stating that “the French and the Swiss colonised the legitimate Alpian State”.
    2. Israelites, just like Palestinians, have a historical claim to that territory. If you firmly believe that they should not have any part of it - where would you place them?
    • agentant (He/Him)@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3·
      6 hours ago

      The Palestinian people are a people who have lived in that region for hundreds of years, just because they were previously occupied by Ottomans doesn’t mean there’s no material basis for the nation of Palestine being present in the region. The Jews like the Roma are a stateless nation and we do not need a state. Further, Jews have remained present in Palestine and have peacefully coexisted with them, there’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t be represented under a Palestinian state. Palestinians themselves, were decedents of the Ancient Israelites who converted to Islam. Aggression between the two groups only started when a genocidal settler colony began using our name, the Jewish People, to justify their actions.

      • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        12·
        6 hours ago

        The Palestinian people are a people who have lived in that region for hundreds of years, just because they were previously occupied by Ottomans doesn’t mean there’s no material basis for the nation of Palestine being present in the region.

        So, exactly like Israelites? Good to see that you actually agree with them having a right to a nation state!

        The Jews like the Roma are a stateless nation

        1. Yeah, just like Palestinians were, up until around 1947. 1918 if you count Mandatory Palestine.

        Further, Jews have remained present in Palestine and have peacefully coexisted with them, there’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t be represented under a Palestinian state

        Well, if you ignore all historical data that has very clearly shown Jews and Israelites being persecuted in the region, which was the region for them leaving it in large enough numbers to be considered a stateless nation like the Roma - yeah, then you’re absolutely correct.

        Aggression between the two groups only started when a genocidal settler colony began using our name, the Jewish People, to justify their actions.

        Again, you’d be correct if you ignore the entirety of the history of the region. The persecution of Israelites started around 700 BCE, mate.

        • agentant (He/Him)@lemmy.mlEnglish
          4·
          5 hours ago

          I really don’t need some kkkrakkker ass fucking Finn to lecture me about my own people’s history just so they can perpetrate the antisemitic correlation of my people to a fucking genocide. So back to Sieg Heiling the statue of Simo The Jew Slayer erected in your town plaza because your people never forgave the Soviets for beating them and their nazi allies in the Second World War.

            • LeninWeave [they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
              42·
              5 hours ago

              You’re a fundamentalist extremist and a hateful human. Be better.

              Finnish genocide enjoyer lectures a Jewish man about how he’s hateful for objecting to his culture being used as a shield for colonialism. Almost reads like parody.

              • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
                12·
                5 hours ago

                You’re the kind of person who calls another “Finnish” just because of the instance they’re on. You’re not interested in humanity, you’re only interested in labels. It’s sad and evil.

                • LeninWeave [they]@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  42·
                  5 hours ago

                  Oh, my apologies. It’s totally better if you’re a different type of gentile genocide enjoyer lecturing a Jewish man about his own people in order to support a settler colony. /s

                  You’re not interested in humanity, you’re only interested in labels. It’s sad and evil.

                  Excuse me if I’m not concerned with a zionist’s opinion about “humanity”.

                  • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
                    12·
                    5 hours ago

                    Again: you’re not reading what I’m writing, you’re only seeing “he’s not 100% agreeing with me, therefore he’s a Nazi Zionist colonialist genocide proponent”.

                    It’s pathetic, really.