Does it matter? By voting 3rd party or abstaining you didn’t hurt the DNC. It hurt everyone else in the country and in other countries we provided aid to. Cuba and Venezuela too.
The presidential election isn’t the time for protest voting when the opposition is literally telling you that you won’t ever get to vote again.
So do you think abstaining or protest voting 3rd party made them take it seriously? Did they change their tune when they lost? Do you honestly think the country is better for Trump beating Harris?
I’m not saying the DNC is flawless; I think it needs to go down in flames. But I’m also not stupid and understand the concept of prioritization.
Well that’s funny, since you’re not actually prioritizing well. Talking about 3rd-party/abstaining voters is a wasted effort. You reach those people with broad, national messaging. The kind you and I, on a dinky little not-reddit, don’t have access to.
You really gonna stop and have this conversation with each and every individual you assume didn’t vote Harris? You think that’s gonna move the needle? In an electoral environment measured in the hundred millions? That’s not a very effective use of your limited rhetorical time.
Why not prioritize getting the Democrats to actually take this seriously, to run a campaign that activates non-voters?
Oh, I know it won’t move the needle, I’m just pissed that idiots chose this election to take a pointless stand against the DNC and venting my frustration. They’re complicit in all of the harm done by Trump and friends due to how our election system works.
You don’t stop to call the electrician when your house is on fire. You put out the fire first or you won’t have any wiring left to fix.
One side provided a step by step plan on exactly how they were going to enact a hostile fascist take over the country so you’d never get a chance to vote again, and people decided that it was worth the risk as long as a mediocre Democrat candidate didn’t win.
I think you’re over-estimating how plugged in the yankee electorate actually is. Google searches for “did Biden drop out” spiked on election day. Most people have not heard about project 2025. Most people were complaining about grocery prices.
The people who took a moral principle and abstained from voting for the lesser of two genocides, they weren’t what flipped the election. It was almost completely a cost of living election.
I think in most part that’s correct unless a party hits below 25% polling for some reason (at that point its actually a good idea to support third parties). I also think we should make more efforts to get some sort of proportional voting system to replace the current, shitty first past the post system.
Does it matter? By voting 3rd party or abstaining you didn’t hurt the DNC. It hurt everyone else in the country and in other countries we provided aid to. Cuba and Venezuela too.
The presidential election isn’t the time for protest voting when the opposition is literally telling you that you won’t ever get to vote again.
You want to hurt the DNC? Do it in the primaries.
OK, so we’re gonna quibble over 3rd party voters again, and just dismiss the fact that DNC leadership doesn’t take this seriously. Great.
So do you think abstaining or protest voting 3rd party made them take it seriously? Did they change their tune when they lost? Do you honestly think the country is better for Trump beating Harris?
I’m not saying the DNC is flawless; I think it needs to go down in flames. But I’m also not stupid and understand the concept of prioritization.
Well that’s funny, since you’re not actually prioritizing well. Talking about 3rd-party/abstaining voters is a wasted effort. You reach those people with broad, national messaging. The kind you and I, on a dinky little not-reddit, don’t have access to.
You really gonna stop and have this conversation with each and every individual you assume didn’t vote Harris? You think that’s gonna move the needle? In an electoral environment measured in the hundred millions? That’s not a very effective use of your limited rhetorical time.
Why not prioritize getting the Democrats to actually take this seriously, to run a campaign that activates non-voters?
Oh, I know it won’t move the needle, I’m just pissed that idiots chose this election to take a pointless stand against the DNC and venting my frustration. They’re complicit in all of the harm done by Trump and friends due to how our election system works.
What election would you have preferred they take that stand?
Future primaries and congressional elections.
You don’t stop to call the electrician when your house is on fire. You put out the fire first or you won’t have any wiring left to fix.
One side provided a step by step plan on exactly how they were going to enact a hostile fascist take over the country so you’d never get a chance to vote again, and people decided that it was worth the risk as long as a mediocre Democrat candidate didn’t win.
I think you’re over-estimating how plugged in the yankee electorate actually is. Google searches for “did Biden drop out” spiked on election day. Most people have not heard about project 2025. Most people were complaining about grocery prices.
The people who took a moral principle and abstained from voting for the lesser of two genocides, they weren’t what flipped the election. It was almost completely a cost of living election.
The only way to actually reform the DNC is to elect an outsider even if they are more likely to lose the general election.
Elect an outsider in the primaries, right?
The DNC controls the primaries.
Yes
Then I agree with you. The primaries are where the stand should take place, but after that you’re stuck with two viable options.
I think in most part that’s correct unless a party hits below 25% polling for some reason (at that point its actually a good idea to support third parties). I also think we should make more efforts to get some sort of proportional voting system to replace the current, shitty first past the post system.