Is it good? Are there any better alternatives?
I prefer it over gmail and outlook, but as others have said, it leaves a bit to be desired
Payed for 5 years, but now I’m in the progress of migrating to a “regular” mailservice. Problems I have with tuta: The client has become super slow in recent months, it seems to get worse and worse. Notifications don’t arrive or arrive too late (Android). No other way than to use it with their clients. No offline support (or at least it doesn’t work for me). UI/UX isn’t that great either.
Would you recommend it as a secondary service?
Depends on your needs. It’s reasonable for mails you don’t need instantly or offline, but at the same time should be encrypted at rest. I don’t know if there is a new pricing model now, but I have paid 1€ a month, so basically nothing. If you don’t mind the downsides and encryption is important to you, it’s a very fair price I think.
I just migrated away from Tuta after trying the service for a year. I like it well enough, but it presented too many frustrations to be a service to pay for.
- While they have labels (yay!) their inbox rules cannot apply labels so you are stuck manually tagging everything (boo!) - and the UI for manually tagging could use improvement.
- Mobile (Android) notifications stop working frequently.
- While they integrate their contacts in to the Android contact list, they refuse to integrate their calendar with the Android system calendar - meaning I cannot pull a consolidated list of calendar events in to my launcher, and am stuck using their calendar application (which could use a lot of improvement).
- If you set a calendar event reminder, and then change the time of the event, the reminder will go off at the original event time (or 15/30 minutes before, whatever you set it to).
- Long refreshes when loading the inbox. Navigating back to the application often has the server disconnected, then you have to wait a spell for it to reconnect so you can carry on.
After searching around and checking purelymail, infomaniak, mailbox.org, mxroute, migadu, zoho, etc. I landed on fastmail (with my own domain) predominantly because of their implementation of labels (super slick). Their mobile app and desktop applications are also very slick. Contacts/calendar sync in to the Android System is done through DavX, but I also have it syncing to my Nextcloud instance. It’s a more expensive solution than the others, but labels (tags/categories) are such an important part of my workflow that there aren’t a lot of options unless I wanted to go back to M365/Google Workspace.
If I was to give up labels, I’d probably go with infomaniak or mailbox.org. Both of their offerings were slick and the price was right.
Thank you for your info
i’ve been a tuta (paid) user for 3 years and im thinking of self-hosting or switching providers bc i now want to use a third party client
i want to check out mailo because they support custom domains and have catchall functionality and are in the EU (like tuta) but allow third party clients
They have a reputation for deleting free accounts. If you plan to use Tuta for more than a few months be sure to use their paid plans, not free.
Doesn’t allow third party email clients.
I can recommend Posteo.
I don’t mind non 3rd party, I want it for secondary email for now.
Posteo is paid only unfortunately:(
Fortunate for me, Posteo is a pair service so that their employees can live a good life by working. I get their service. I pay. I don’t like someone else paying for me then show me ads or sell my data.
AFAIK 3rd party clients not supported cause of lack e2e encryption support
I still think it would be better to give the user freedom, and just give a warning that there are privacy risks.
I’ve been on Posteo for years now, they’ve been rock solid. As for Tuta.io, the issue specifically is no IMAP support, which is what third party email clients need to function.
I thought I’d also mention Protonmail, which might look good, but is in a similar boat. They technically do provide IMAP support, but not in a way that matters. If you wanted to connect Protonmail to Thunderbird or, if you’re an insane person, Microsoft Outlook, you’d need another app running on your PC along with your email app called Proton Bridge, which just sounds like a hassle. No mobile version either.
I’d say stick with Posteo. Alternatively, if you want to use your own domain name, I’ve heard good things about mailbox.org.
I deleted my Protonmail after learning about their metadata filtering practices. The more you learn about Proton the sketchier they seem.
Source, pretty please? I’d like to read up.
Their privacy policy expressly states they have access to metadata and they have a non-public blacklist which filters “undesirable” domains. Try creating an account on zlibrary using your Protonmail.
Also worthy of notice, they are legally forced to hand over shitloads of user data as seen in their transparency report.
Not to be a tinfoil hat guy, there’s good reason for this and there’s no free email service that is much better privacy-wise. The actual content of your mails are probably safe with Proton.
Just to clarify - Protonmail does have a mobile app (works great by the way, especially on Graphene)
My bad, I wasn’t clear enough. I actually meant Proton Bridge has no mobile version, meaning you can only use the official app you mentioned, but not any third party apps like K-9 Mail/Thunderbird or FairEmail.
Aw yeah that makes sense actually on rereading it. I think i was going to try the Proton Bridge at first on moving to Linux but then saw it was only available via their paid version.
That put me off lol, so I’m just sticking to using it via browser and their own mobile app for now.
LOL. Thats kinda absurd. So many people seem to recommend it but…
Most people don’t need 3rd party clients and just use the web interface or wtv is the native app for the product they are using. Using thunderbird or K9 clients for example is a fringe use case for most people anyway.
Yeah, only nutty fringe dwellers would want to use an email client to manage their email. /s
I’m not sure I would call using a third-party email client a ‘fringe’ use case. As of yesterday, Thunderbird has 10,992,366 active daily installations. Sure, it’s probably not as many as mobile clients, but that’s still a helluva lot of people using it.
Killed my account bc they didn’t feel I used it enough. F’em…
Probably because its free account
Do they really do that? I also use my account very little, should I be worried? It’s 5-6 months old
If you sign in every few months you should be fine.
Same
Works fine. Android app doesn’t require Google push notifications, unlike Proton. I like that they aren’t chasing the AI pipe dream.
I’m not a fan of how they use their blog to shit on other privacy projects.
A few weeks ago, they recommended CalyxOS. I informed them that Calyx is a dead project. The next week Calyx is getting recommended again. The person(s) writing their blog doesn’t seem to have a clue even when giving the information on a platter.
It’s great. It stores and sends email. What could be better?
An email provider who doesn’t lock you into their ecosystem and doesn’t collaborate with law enforcement without putting up a fight.
Source on the law enforcement claim?
Tuta’s trancparency report vs Posteos
Does Tuta do that? I’ve missed that discussion in that case, I’ve been using them myself and if I can expect to be locked if I want to try another provider I’d rather switch now than when it becomes an even larger hassle
Perhaps they’ve changed, but last I checked they didn’t allow IMAP/POP3 due to “security concerns”.
From their howto site:
Can I use a third-party email app like Thunderbird? No, this is not possible for security reasons. Tuta does not support the use of third-party email clients or the protocols IMAP/POP3/SMTP as we cannot guarantee end-to-end encryption of your data. Instead, Tuta offers email desktop clients for Linux, macOS and Windows as well as a web client and apps for Android and iOS. We aim to provide all required functionalities with our own apps, for instance, offline access to your encrypted data is possible with our apps.
We aim to provide all required functionalities with our own apps
my required functionality is the ability to integrate other services like paperless etc… In my support requests to them they made it very clear that they don’t aim to provide that.
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Do you have an example of a better service? If not Tuta, then who?
Posteo
Can’t bring your own domains with Posteo.
Mailbox.org, then. Otherwise, Zoho. Otherwise mxroute (my provider ATM) or migadu.
This is the first I’ve seen of simplelogin and I think I’m going to start using this. Thanks for the share.
Thanks! I’ll check that out!
I like it
Tuta is great, I like it has its own client, in particular Linux has so few options. Thunderbird is became concerning for me based upon FF underpinning & associated AI moves
That said, I team it with Posteo which is also great, and hard to beat the price
Both bring solid reputation & strong company values & ethics
Tuta works only with its clients
Posteo doesn’t do custom domains
In any case you can try Tuta for free. :)
