• themurphy@lemmy.ml
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    17 hours ago

    China is basically what the western world was in the 60-70’s where progress were all over the place.

    Still behind in terms of alot of things, especially workers rights, but it’s not going backwards like it is in the US.

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      17 hours ago

      Like all countries, there’s some good and bad things to say, but I think that investing in renewables was a very smart move on their part.

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        15 hours ago

        They still did it for all other reasons than being eco friendly.

        They simply just have the minerals and mines for solar and batteries. And the big one is offering the world an alternative for oil, which takes a big chunk into US profits.

        We are just lucky that it also means cleaner air for everyone.

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          11 hours ago

          Those other reasons were important, but China has a history of investing in industrial resources way before they’re expected to be profitable, and often at greater scale than the market would dictate. 1980s China didn’t expect Rare Earth minerals to turn a profit, but they understood that cheap Gallium for example meant LCD manufacturers would be more competitive/productive.

          When China started investing in solar panels 15 years ago, the price per PV was 5x more than it is now.

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          China is already the world’s factory, so why not become the world’s battery factory too.

          People seem to be interested in electric vehicles, so might as well. Once China is the number one EV manufacturer, battery manufacturer and solar panel manufacturer, it’s going to become as wealthy as Saudi Arabia and USA combined.

          Good luck keeping up with that pace if your country still run on coal.

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      17 hours ago

      Living conditions have improved for the majority but the current leader (13 years) has increased autocracy, further reduced freedoms, continued oppressing Uyghurs and Hong Kong and increased the threat on Taiwan.

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        16 hours ago

        increased autocracy, further reduced freedoms

        How so? A Chinese friend I made outside China who straight up said certain previous leaders of China should be hanged generally liked Xi.

        continued oppressing Uyghurs

        No investigation, no right to speak. Why don’t you come to Xinjiang or Kazakhstan and talk to some Uhigurs? There’s literally no travel restrictions, anyone can come here.

        Hong Kong

        They were governed by a council elected by business interests and the British crown. Hong Kong is the freest its ever been under China.

        But I’ve only spent like 10 hours there, and haven’t run into any Hong Kongers outside of China so I don’t have a strong opinion on what they’re dealing with, all I know is what the US wants for them is not in their interest.

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          16 hours ago

          Just so I know if my time will be well used to redact an answer, what’s your affinity with lemmy.ml, hexbear and lemmygrad?

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            13 hours ago

            I left lemmy.ml when traveling in China because its blocked by the Great Firewall, so is hb, while lemmygrad users are generally correct, I don’t think their attitude towards anarchists is unproductive, and sometimes I see some really bad takes from them.

            If you’re going to respond, do me a favor and base your take somewhat in reality.

            If you can’t read chinese, have never been to China, and aren’t getting your takes from anyone who has and doesn’t have a material interest in peddling propaganda, you probably shouldn’t speak on the matter.

            Btw, I should be in Xinjiang tomorrow night, and theres an older uhigur living nearby here in Kazakhstan if you had any questions you wanted me to ask.

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            15 hours ago

            What is it with lemmy.ml that I have missed? I personally just chose it by pure randomness on a list when I created an account, but I have seen it come up more times now as something negative?

            I have no clue what hexbear and lemmygrad is.

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              .ml, lemmygrad and hexbear are three Lemmy instances known for hosting mostly users with socialist viewpoints, many of them appreciating Actually Existing Socialist states. Hexbear is mostly defederated because it has a strict policy of protection of its 50%ish trans userbase against transphobia, whereas .ml is mostly federated as a major instance.

              There are frictions between non-socialists in other instances and socialists in those three instances, because politics is a complicated topic that reasonably makes people passionate and emotional.