• Sal@lemmy.world
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    When will it be enough that people actively start opening fire on ICE the second they pull out to their street? This is getting ridiculous. Not even white women are safe.

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      The problem is that’s when he “gets” to declare Marshall Law and take over the government and the military.

      So far, judges have denied him access to military even though he keeps screaming about terrorists and buildings burning, when really there are people in frog costumes and people with whistles.

      Hitler took control of German government and military the second a building caught fire. This is likely what he’s trying to make happen.

      Elections happen this year that could generate some congressional power challenges against his orders with more urgency. How much hope do I have that elections even happen? Will several red states change last minute election rules and post office cancel ballot deliveries or straight up replace federal electors again? Will he make up a fake excuse to end elections or arrest opponents? Who knows. Once he steals power instead of having it with legitimacy is when gloves have to come off. In the meantime it has to stay peaceful. We dug this hole ourselves at this point.

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        At some point you have to say enough is enough instead of coming out with this stupid ass excuse.

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          "we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.” - Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts

          I don’t think people calling for restraint understand what we’re up against.

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            It’s pretty stunning how they talk like terrorists and abusers and people just go with it.

            But I guess I know from experience that conservative culture has a lot of “shut up and deal with it” conditioning. And not like “practicing stoicism is good for you” dealing with it. It’s more like “know your place, respect your betters, and shut your mouth.”

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              It’s the “might makes right” approach.

              Most of us get educated about why that’s bad in pre-school. Nobody likes a bully and often bullying is ended with a swift punch in the face from the victim. People like Stephen Miller just haven’t got theirs yet.

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        Trump can declare war without even telling congress about it. What makes you think he needs something real in order to “declare martial law”? At what point are you going to decide that NOT FIGHTING BACK is actually helping these people trample you?

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          As mentioned by others in this thread, the courts has repeatedly taken away his access to national guard because he is failing to show evidence of a domestic threat

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            Trump said, on camera, “I was president, then I wasn’t. Then they rigged the election and now I’m president again.” That’s slightly paraphrased because I don’t care to listen to him talk again if I can avoid it, but the wording wasn’t ambiguous.

            He admitted to it a few more times, but that was the most blatant one.

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                No, he really didn’t.

                He vomits just enough word salad to give his supporters an excuse to pretend he didn’t say what he said, but he’s been remarkably forthright about nearly every heinous thing he’s done or is planning to do, from “grab 'em by the pussy” to “we need Greenland for national security.” And even when he doesn’t just publicly confess outright, you can tell exactly what he did because he falsely accuses others of doing it.

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                How does, “then they rigged the election and now I’m president again,” suggest that he’s talking about Biden? He plainly laid out the sequence of events. It was one of the least convoluted things I’ve ever heard the man say.

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                  He was trying to be snide about the fact that he would have been president 2 terms in a row but they cheated him out of it.

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        *Martial Law

        “Marshall [Plan]” is his bullshit excuse for attacking Venezuela.

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        Trump is going to declare Marshall Law anyway. Fighting back will only accelerate it. Regardless, Marshall Law isn’t a real thing in the United States. Although that won’t stop the president in the high castle.

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          He is allowed to take over state militaries in emergency situations. I also agree that I think he’s going to make up an excuse and do it anyway at some point before elections.

          A lot of what he is getting away with is stuff that Congress could block. It’s their appropriate money he’s using, but they’re all his tools right now so they don’t fight back and just let him do it.

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        The problem is that’s when he “gets” to declare Marshall Law and take over the government and the military.

        Practically speaking, how is that any different from now?

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              Martial Law would mean the real military rolling into towns, and the loss of recourse in the courts for federal overreach.

              Currently we just have ICE, national guard, and police assaulting us, but under martial law there will be things like tanks and drone bombs.

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                Martial Law would mean the real military rolling into towns, and the loss of recourse in the courts for federal overreach

                You believe the only thing stopping that is Trump saying “I declare Martial Law”?

                He also can’t just kidnap a foreign leader without notifying congress – except he actually just can.

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                  The only thing stopping Trump right now is the courts. Martial law is an endrun around the courts.

                  Yes, he is breaking laws, but once the court actually steps up and tells him to stop, he does. We unfortunately have a long history of extrajudicial foreign action that the courts just don’t care about, but that’s not the same as deploying military to one’s own country.

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                    The only thing stopping Trump right now is the courts.

                    Stopping him how?

                    but once the court actually steps up and tells him to stop, he does.

                    Like when? And what good is telling him to stop after he’s already done the thing? What’s to stop him from just defying it again?