I think what’s difficult to grasp is how easy they kidnapped Maduro. If it’s as easy as a few months of training, simulation and intelligence and then just do it, how is it possible that none of the other much worse world leaders have not had this happen to them until now? Has this ever even happened in recent history?

You’re telling me the US had the capability to eliminate any of the worst ones in much more problematic countries and chose not to because there was no oil in it for them? That’s a grim thought.

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    Because you cannot just go into a country and kidnap the leader. With no declaration of war, no jurisdiction at all, not even a hint of a justification through the UN. That’s why it isn’t done. Americans ought to be on the streets protesting in force. Their children at the latest will rue this day. 47 just sealed the end of the rules-based international order. He didn’t start that fire but he dropped 50 gazillion barrels of Venezuelan crude onto it. This is not good bad very, very bad.

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        The country with the biggest military force on this planet can do many things. But it shouldn’t. Ability and legal justification are two different things. It isn’t done doesn’t mean they’re not capable. Abu Ghraib happened and shouldn’t have either.

        It’s not a perfect comparison but you could take your kitchen knife and stab a rando on the street. You can do that but you shouldn’t. Because we have rules. And we have rules because without them soon everybody be stabbing everybody else. And if you stabbed a rando on the street in Caracas you don’t exactly have the moral high ground when you want you tell your pals Vlad or Jinping not to stab randos in Kyiv or Taipei.

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      Americans ought to be on the streets protesting in force.

      Most of us are too busy trying to afford surviving.

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        I understand that shit is hard. My projection for the future is just: it isn’t getting better. Much the opposite. So what are you surviving for? To watch your country spiral down the toilet? To be branded a playground bully and unreliable partner internationally? Economies don’t thrive on that, either. And economists are dot com bust Lehman crash level concerned about the single minded bet on so-called AI that represents pretty much the only GDP growth today.

        Meanwhile the great dealmaker hasn’t brought down cost of living because he thinks the word tariff is beautiful. He didn’t want another war, was so thirsty for the peace prize, and yet ordered the illegal invasion into Venezuela and the abduction of its leader on trumped up charges. Late night show hosts are your free speech canaries in the coalmine. Oh, and he’s a convicted SA felon and very much connected to that late pedophile who shall remain nameless here.

        If you don’t find a way to resist and oppose now, I think you will be sleepwalking into an even worse future. This will have been the good ol days.

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          If you don’t find a way to resist and oppose now, I think you will be sleepwalking into an even worse future. This will have been the good ol days.

          All that to say you also have no idea how to do anything that will help.

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            I’m neither in the US nor a US citizen and this requires boots on the ground. But if you want some ideas: organize protest marches, many and often, a general strike would be good, bombard relentlessly elected officials with phone calls and emails, campaign for impeachments especially after the midterms, get people to vote in the midterms for anything that weakens the incumbents’ power. Call out the media that downplays the international rights violations in this Venezuela shitshow. Nationalists go gungho over this stuff, patriots are brave enough to call out mistakes. Protest the Orwellian press accreditation rules at minipax. Start a campaign with empathy at its core, empathy towards the economically sidelined and destitute, the migrants who keep your economy afloat, the people who die senseless deaths (due to gun violence, just as one example). Cost of living, health insurance, social security to tackle homelessness in particular. Lack of empathy is what’s driving this neo-fascist bus and I believe you can be better than that as a people. It’d be great if it didn’t just end up as a hashtag. It may be time to start a new political movement that refuses to follow in bipartisan trodden paths. Start investing the time you do something like doomscrolling now. Get off the free platforms whose billionaire owners sat at 47’s table, checkbook in hand, for anything other than organizing protests.

            My contribution will be to reduce the amount of money I end up giving to American companies, not plan any trips to the US (probably ever again considering the ridiculous list of information I need to provide to get my visa waiver), and to lobby my government to reduce their reliance on the US. The mealymouthed reactions to the US breach of international law among its allies and the velvet gloved treatment we give the orange toddler are my concern. Fixing the US is for the Americans. If you have ideas on how to support you from the sidelines, pipe up. We’ll all have you live in this neo-fascist, neo-imperial hellhole.

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        Iirc that’s quite literally part of the plot of 1984, keeping the general populace poor enough so they have netter things to worry about than whatever the fuck the state is doing.

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      Because you cannot just go into a country and kidnap the leader.

      You sure about that? Because it just happened. If there’s never any consequences then you can do whatever you want.