No they don’t. They explicitly say correlation is not causation, and all they have found is a link within a small sample size. A link that is equally well explained by mental health affecting diet.
Why are you so eager to believe that happy people eat vegetables rather than the other way around? You don’t think there’s corroborating evidence generally that a diet of fresh fruits and vegetables is good for you?
That is… Not what I said. Think: If a person’s having a bad day, then they’re more likely to say “I don’t feel like cooking. I’ll just have a snack to make myself feel better.” Their mood affects their diet.
‘We are not in any way saying eating more vegetables is a cure for mental health’ - This article.
it hardly takes a brain surgeon to realise that people with depression will indulge in their comfort foods more often. Doritos don’t lead to depression; depression leads to doritos.
So again, why is this SO obvious to you while it’s unthinkable that eating well may be good for you? Any evidence whatsoever that this is the direction the causal arrow points? Or just snappy phrases like “it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to realize…?”
If I am going to take your argument in good faith, I need you to explain why you think I’m saying healthy eating isn’t good for you. I will also need you to explain why “good for you” means “prevents depression” when the article itself says that isn’t the case. I will need some acknowledgement of my “sad people eat comfort food” argument I have made in clear terms multiple times. Lastly, I will need you to apply the same question of “why is it so obvious” and snide remarks at “it doesn’t take a ___ to realise” phrases to the comment directly above mine that did the exact same thing.
Because right now, it feels like you aren’t even reading my comments.
I will need some acknowledgement of my “sad people eat comfort food” argument I have made in clear terms multiple times.
Oh it’s bright and clear as day that you hold this stereotype of depression to be a proven fact, yet it’s nothing but your dearly held stereotype. This is not a factual description of depression at large suitable to tip the interpretation of some experimental data. I’m much more persuaded by the mountain of scientific evidence that fresh fruits and vegetables benefit health. Your argument is based on cultural stereotypes.
My argument was in response to a cultural stereotype, and informed by people I know in real life. My best friend has ARFID, and suffered depression. But thank you for ignoring most of my comment and proving you aren’t arguing in good faith. It’ll save me a lot of time this evening.
Several studies in mice had indicated that gut microbes can affect behavior, and small studies of people suggested this microbial repertoire is altered in depression. To test the link in a larger group, Jeroen Raes, a microbiologist at the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, and his colleagues took a closer look at 1054 Belgians they had recruited to assess a “normal” microbiome. Some in the group—173 in total—had been diagnosed with depression or had done poorly on a quality of life survey, and the team compared their microbiomes with those other participants. Two kinds of microbes, Coprococcus and Dialister, were missing from the microbiomes of the depressed subjects, but not from those with a high quality of life. The finding held up when the researchers allowed for factors such as age, sex, or antidepressant use, all of which influence the microbiome, the team reports today in Nature Microbiology. They also found the depressed people had an increase in bacteria implicated in Crohn disease, suggesting inflammation may be at fault.
That shows a link between depression and gut microbes, but it seems to indicate that depression causes the lack of those microbes, rather than the other way around. Plus, it doesn’t say a THING about diet, cause those microbes process food instead of coming from it.
The studies say differently.
No they don’t. They explicitly say correlation is not causation, and all they have found is a link within a small sample size. A link that is equally well explained by mental health affecting diet.
Why are you so eager to believe that happy people eat vegetables rather than the other way around? You don’t think there’s corroborating evidence generally that a diet of fresh fruits and vegetables is good for you?
That is… Not what I said. Think: If a person’s having a bad day, then they’re more likely to say “I don’t feel like cooking. I’ll just have a snack to make myself feel better.” Their mood affects their diet.
‘We are not in any way saying eating more vegetables is a cure for mental health’ - This article.
It’s exactly what you fucking said, right here:
So again, why is this SO obvious to you while it’s unthinkable that eating well may be good for you? Any evidence whatsoever that this is the direction the causal arrow points? Or just snappy phrases like “it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to realize…?”
If I am going to take your argument in good faith, I need you to explain why you think I’m saying healthy eating isn’t good for you. I will also need you to explain why “good for you” means “prevents depression” when the article itself says that isn’t the case. I will need some acknowledgement of my “sad people eat comfort food” argument I have made in clear terms multiple times. Lastly, I will need you to apply the same question of “why is it so obvious” and snide remarks at “it doesn’t take a ___ to realise” phrases to the comment directly above mine that did the exact same thing.
Because right now, it feels like you aren’t even reading my comments.
Oh it’s bright and clear as day that you hold this stereotype of depression to be a proven fact, yet it’s nothing but your dearly held stereotype. This is not a factual description of depression at large suitable to tip the interpretation of some experimental data. I’m much more persuaded by the mountain of scientific evidence that fresh fruits and vegetables benefit health. Your argument is based on cultural stereotypes.
My argument was in response to a cultural stereotype, and informed by people I know in real life. My best friend has ARFID, and suffered depression. But thank you for ignoring most of my comment and proving you aren’t arguing in good faith. It’ll save me a lot of time this evening.
That shows a link between depression and gut microbes, but it seems to indicate that depression causes the lack of those microbes, rather than the other way around. Plus, it doesn’t say a THING about diet, cause those microbes process food instead of coming from it.
At most, you’ve proven a link. Not causation.