I saw a Black Friday sale for a 5080 for around €1k, a decent OC model too. I have no interest in supporting NVIDIA or their fire hazards with the way they’ve been acting.
It’s an obscene price to pay for a GPU no matter how fast it is.
I use AMD mainly because FLOSS values closer to mine than NVIDIA, but I wish nearly everything in late-stage capitalism wasn’t a duopoly. Really a monopoly when the oligarchs own them both via multinational asset managers. I agree with the comments about older cards and the future of gaming though, I think the AMD vs NVIDIA conversation is going to move away from gaming as CUDA vs ROCm continues to evolve.
Great card. I am surprised how well this card performs on Bazzite.
NVIDIA made like 4 billion on gaming GPUs and like 58 billion on AI GPUs last quarter. I’m sure 80% of those gaming GPUs were used for AI as well. To them it’s likely irrelevant how they’re doing in the gaming market.
Honestly this whole “AMD sells more!” “Well Nvidia sells more in THIS place!” is a fool’s errand to keep fighting over. Different locations in the world will have different pricing and thus it will shift which brand/card is better value for the money, and it will also depend on local tax laws and a ton of other variables. Brazil, for example, has AMD have somewhat lower prices overall thanks to AMD having an assembly plant here, something neither Nvidia and Intel have, and thus, their GPUs/CPUs are more expensive.
It’s really good. I can see the 9070 and the XT being GTX 970 and GTX 1060 levels of long term relevance in gaming PCs
Currently running a GTX1060 and it’s such a workhorse, my gosh.
Got my RX 9070 on the way :)
With the rise of PC handhelds and cutting edge graphics not seeming like a great selling point anymore, I think you’ll be golden for about a decade like that 1060. Maybe more because of the rise of PC handhelds and the Switch 2 and future Switch 3
This 1060 is being sold (cheap) as well so I hope it lives another 10 years in retirement 😄
They’d probably sell even more of their naming scheme was less confusing.
How is it confusing?
Well minus the part where theres 8GB versions with no name differences…
It’s confusing because they constantly change their numbering scheme. Nvidia has stayed consistent in the last 17 years
Well yea… But nvidia didn’t change their naming scheme because they use it to mislead people.
A 5080 today is equivalent to what a 1060 used to be when it comes to raw sillicon if I remember correctly.
I can’t wait for an RTX 9070 to replace my RX 9070 XT!
Just like how the Z890 chipset from Intel is not the same generation as the X870 chipset from AMD.
so that’s not just me being unable to keep a good hierarchy of their shit in my thought cabinet?
It’s just “confusing” because people are used to nvidia naming
I thought it was confusing because this is the 3rd changeup to their naming in recent years.
RX 580 to RX Vega 56 and 64 to RX 5700 to 9070. Yes it’s still the intuitive “bigger number better” and “first number is generation”, but I can see how people might be frustrated with it whereas nvidia has consistency.
I think they had to make that change because there was a Radeon 9700 back in the ATI days or something. I just wish they hadn’t done the RX thing. Because those charts where people compare GPU performance will have legends like:
RX-7600 RTX-5060 RX-9060XT TXT-6060RXT TVX-5040T RTX-4060
and you say "There’s no consistency with generation or manufacturer and I’m pretty sure one of those is the part number of a cylinder head for a Toyota Tacoma.
Consistency? Nvidia does the exact same thing, so yeah I guess that’s consistent. That reliable numeric with the Nvidia GeForce Titan, Nvidia Titan, and Nvidia Titan RTX (yes those are all very different cards).
And don’t even get me started on the workstation Quadro card naming, with the Quadro RTX 4000, RTX A4000, RTX 4000 (Ada generation), and RTX PRO 4000 Blackwell.
Then you have the server cards. L4, L40, A100, H100 then rtx 6000 Blackwell (workstation and server editions are same name but different cards)
It goes on
Don’t forget the Radeon VII (announced 2019) that didn’t fit in any scheme.
Well good thing the 9070 series is the series that is trying to adopt a more Nvidia-like naming scheme.
Yeah it has two names. But slightly less confusing
The 9070 had two names? You’re talking about the regular, the XT, and GRE?
I am not retaking the GRE to use that card.
I’m wooshing. Is that some kind of test where you live?
Yeah it’s the exam you take for grad school in the US for some colleges. I think it is the “graduate readiness exam” but it’s been a few years and I cant spare 10 seconds to look lol.
Maybe AMD is cheaper at Mindfactory than other resellers, and with NVidia it’s the other way around?
At least in EU it just could have been just the right pricing with models in 800-900 EUR for 9070XT. Still outrageous price…
Then you have 5070 that’s the “low” model of 50s Nvidia that only maching 9070XT with “you can do AI and RTX” and 5080 arguably better than 9070XT, but in most cases over 1k EUR.
the RX 9070 XT starts at ~590 € and the sales data is just for the last week
They sell for €639 in EU now. (No BF sale) I’ve got myself one on the way just now for €599 (Asus)
Given the rumors about VRam scarsety I thought this was the right time to get my hands on one, coming from a 5700xt, it’s a welcome upgrade
Right now on Amazon you can get an RTX 5070 for cheaper than an RX 9070 XT. The obvious choice is still the RTX 5070.
RTX 5070 ~$550 RX 9070 XT ~$630
Is this just this week’s exception or is this representative of the retail market?
A couple generations back, Nvidia was the obvious choice and AMD just couldn’t compete. Nvidia had real-time ray tracing, AMD didn’t, Nvidia’s hardware video encoding was great, AMD’s sucked, Nvidia had CUDA, AMD pretty much didn’t, Nvidia had their DLSS frame gen technology, AMD either didn’t or it wasn’t very good.
Well, in most of those places, AMD has caught up, and they offer more VRAM in their lower tier products, at better prices.
Oh, and I’ve been hearing through the grapevine that Nvidia is dropping the ball with drivers. That used to be AMD’s bag, but AMD’s drivers are more solid these days.
Oh, and Nvidia’s weird new power socket keeps catching on fire. I’ve got a 7900GRE that attaches with two good old 8-pin PCIe connectors that offer a distinct lack of combustion.
Might just be a personal perspective, but the majority of Nvidia cards that I’ve seen purchased in my community (Not in germany tho) are second hand - most aren’t buying the 50 series due to their horrible pricing. People are buying AMD cards new though due to their good value proposition.
The power consumption of the 50xx cards is just insane, and this makes it a bad choice in Germany where electricity prices are very high. This means I have to pay a premium for the card, extra for the excessive power demands and potentially extra in summer to keep my gaming room cool.
American don’t think about that. Same reason poor people buy V8 pickups then complain about being poor.
That is an important aspect I didn’t consider, good catch.
While nobody is talking about the Intel B580, which was actually spectacular for the price.
I think the limiting factor for that one is availability depending on region. In the US the B580 is an amazing budget card, but AMD has a better distribution network in say LATAM nations.
Nvidia are selling many multiples of this volume to AI providers.
Gaming means essentially nothing in the big picture. (Outside of maybe prestige or similar)
This statistic refers only to enthusiasts who build their own PCs. It does not represent the overall PC market, laptops, or data-center and other business purchases.
Yeah, I just got a new gaming laptop. Nobody sells gaming laptops with AMD GPUs in my country. I looked! So I went with an AMD CPU and a 5070 instead.
I almost never see AMD GPU’s laptops. Like 10 years of them being a rarity. Don’t even know if they have a mobile available 9060 yet. I think don’t think AMD produce much laptop GPUs for vendors anyways
Afaik framework offers an option for AMD GPUs.
The 9070XT is a good card for the price, and that doesn’t tell us a lot, there’s going to be markets where AMD does better and some where Nvidia does better, as an AMD user I feel like they still fall behind with their drivers, I’ve had many Driver timeouts with my RX6700XT just because I was hitting alt tab on CS2, I’ve never had it on Nvidia.
Also someone who does a lot of upscaling with Topaz I would have loved to see AMD making some serious grounds there there’s no reason why they should be that behind with content creators, I don’t think we’ll ever see the GPU department catching up as the CPU did with Ryzen but I feel like everytime Nvidia fucks something up, AMD does the same so It’s a game of who’s going to fuck up more.
I bought the 6700xt just because I was contemplating on the 3070 but I saw it was an 8GB VRAM card and I thought yeah miss me with that shit.
Do you have any experience with Topaz and a 9070xt? I don’t because my 9070 PC runs Linux but I do have a Topaz license that goes to like 5.1 that I use on an older PC with an Nvidia card that serves as my Windows only software computer
Benchmarks for the 9070xt seemed competitive for Topaz
I was hoping Topaz would release for Linux since they had beta versions available but they didn’t update past 5.1 and then recently announced they were cancelling the Linux support plans and then they went full on subscription plans rather than buy once for a year of updates and then it’s yours to keep
I don’t, I have a 6700xt I don’t remember much about my settings but It’s quite slow when upscaling to 4K.
Someday I’ll get a drive to install Windows on and test the version of Topaz I have with it. The Puget benchmarks with it and Topaz are good but don’t know if my final version is recent enough to be stable with the 9070
Do you have any recommendations, I used to upscale and restore old Trailers, Videos, Porn and etc. I don’t remember what model I used but I always used flowframes for 60fps interpolation
Topaz is absolutely the best. There are other commercial software out there that’s talked up a bit but everything i’ve read says Topaz is still better. Free stuff, nothing really comes close. There’s this that i hope get’s better and more developer interest. Available on Linux and Windows
https://github.com/TNTwise/REAL-Video-Enhancer
If you’re Windows only, there’s this. It’s more mature in development
https://github.com/AaronFeng753/Waifu2x-Extension-GUI
But Topaz is better than everything else. It’s why I grabbed a used laptop with an Nvidia GPU for a good price
The free stuff is real hit or miss with real life video. Animations generally always looks good
What models do you recommend usually for AMD cards?
I buy XFX. I think Sapphire is really well regarded. I feel like I had a Sapphire ATI card a long time ago. Pretty sure XFX and Sapphire are the major time tested brands. You can probably be good buying the cheapest brand though
And here I bought an Intel b580. -sigh-
