There are bad trips. Sometimes, yes, ‘bad’ trips are just an expression of one’s mental state, exacerbed. You can look into it, ponder and maybe do some introspection because it is necessary.
But sometimes bad trips are just bad trips. The drugs just hit too hard, or you’re not prepared for it and you go spiralling down an infinite staircase of pain and anguish. But you have nothing to gain from it, except the memory of a bad experience.
I agree. I tried to hint at it, but I should have probably formulated it less dismissively, less absolute. That’s on me.
What I wanted to express is the unfortunately very common notion that each beneficial trip, or any trip really, has to be a pleasant experience, and that’s simply not true.
That’s why I prefer to frame it as three types of trip: good, challenging, and bad. Good trips are fun and maybe productive, challenging are productive and unpleasant, and bad are unpleasant and unproductive.
It can be really easy to mistake what should be challenging for bad and that’s where things like therapy techniques (cbt and dbt can really help here) and reintegration can be vital. But some people describe wholly unpleasant trips that don’t increase self awareness or present opportunities for growth or healing, as well as some people going in to psychedelics when they don’t have the tools or the spoons or the right mood that day.
For that last bit, every trip should begin with an honest reflection of your mental state and if you need to bail for the day, because once you get on the ride you can’t leave until it’s over.
For what it’s worth, I’ve been actively involved in psychedelics for almost 51 years, so I trust even you will be able to deduce that I’m unfortunately the opposite of a teenager.
I already admitted that I opted for a rather inappropriate way to express an opinion that was (rightfully) misinterpreted and tried to better express what I was trying to get at.
You are free to completely dismiss that attempt as well, but please don’t try to bring seniority into this.
There are bad trips. Sometimes, yes, ‘bad’ trips are just an expression of one’s mental state, exacerbed. You can look into it, ponder and maybe do some introspection because it is necessary.
But sometimes bad trips are just bad trips. The drugs just hit too hard, or you’re not prepared for it and you go spiralling down an infinite staircase of pain and anguish. But you have nothing to gain from it, except the memory of a bad experience.
I agree. I tried to hint at it, but I should have probably formulated it less dismissively, less absolute. That’s on me.
What I wanted to express is the unfortunately very common notion that each beneficial trip, or any trip really, has to be a pleasant experience, and that’s simply not true.
That’s why I prefer to frame it as three types of trip: good, challenging, and bad. Good trips are fun and maybe productive, challenging are productive and unpleasant, and bad are unpleasant and unproductive.
It can be really easy to mistake what should be challenging for bad and that’s where things like therapy techniques (cbt and dbt can really help here) and reintegration can be vital. But some people describe wholly unpleasant trips that don’t increase self awareness or present opportunities for growth or healing, as well as some people going in to psychedelics when they don’t have the tools or the spoons or the right mood that day.
For that last bit, every trip should begin with an honest reflection of your mental state and if you need to bail for the day, because once you get on the ride you can’t leave until it’s over.
No you really didn’t “try to hint at it”.
Honestly you sound like a teenager who just discovered drugs and really enjoys them so you went down the research rabbit hole.
And there’s nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but everything you said sounds like it’s coming from an arrogant/privileged place.
For what it’s worth, I’ve been actively involved in psychedelics for almost 51 years, so I trust even you will be able to deduce that I’m unfortunately the opposite of a teenager.
I already admitted that I opted for a rather inappropriate way to express an opinion that was (rightfully) misinterpreted and tried to better express what I was trying to get at.
You are free to completely dismiss that attempt as well, but please don’t try to bring seniority into this.
Lol. So full of yourself. No one is trying to bring “seniority” into this.
Saying you sound like a teenager who just discovered drugs is not the same as saying you are a teenager* (*so shut up - the adults are talking?)