buying second hand phones is like buying clothes with a hole in it. your going to have to replace the battery or the phone alot sooner than buying it new
The main demographic of GrapheneOS users are in the west and the GrapheneOS team are a meticulous bunch. Why would they partner with an OEM whose hardware does not work with western cellular networks?
I guess we’ll find out when they announce their mystery partner.
I just hope it isn’t HTC or Motorola. Neither of them have done anything good in the last 10 years. And Google bought the HTC hardware team that made the Pixel 1.
Samsung is my hope. I think Samsung is big enough that they can sell certified Android phones and also open ones. I don’t think they will though. I would imagine it would be a smaller OEM. Or a shittier one.
No way would the devs ever be that based. They seem like big “Uyghur Googlers” if you catch my drift. The whole FOSS scene has been ideologically inoculated against the foreign countries that challenge the tech-finance-military monopoly that is the root of their problems. GOS is still a treasure of and it is the most fun forum to debatelord on tho - when wife sees it she thinks im working >:^]
The real irony is paying Google what you’d pay for an iPhone 16 and getting iPhone 11 performance and they’re spying on you and selling your personal information to who knows who. Okay but you wiped the phone and installed custom firmware that doesn’t track you… but you still paid Google the price of current-gen iPhone and got a phone with the performance of one from 5 years ago. Google still won.
The personal information is the point, that’s the real gold mine, and they’ll get it from enough people to not care about the less than 1% of Pixel owners flashing Graphene. For those users, they’re happy to sell generations-old tech at a premium. And they call you a sucker behind your back. And then tell you Apple is the big corporate overlord you’re running from and make it sound like Apple is the enemy. (I’m not saying they’re not, but that’s a convenient story among fandroids. And it may not even be accurate. Because iOS has no open source component though… we don’t know.)
As a GrapheneOS user, having the fastest hardware is not the goal. Pixels can be purchased for a very reasonable price second-hand or from discount resellers. Apple’s hardware is indeed remarkable and iOS being closed-source is not the root of the issue - it’s that they insist on a heavily locked down bootloader, so I will not for a moment consider Apple unless by some miracle they open up their phones to third-party OSes.
I can agree with most of that. I like the Mac a lot more than I like the iPhone. But a Mac can install Linux. They also used to run Windows, and I think they can run Windows ARM but I’m not sure. I’ve also heard Windows ARM is not very good anyway.
Fortunately, Macs don’t require iPhones. My wife has an Android phone and has no problem with using Mac. She just doesn’t get Universal Clipboard, which is nice, but not a deal breaker to lose if you have other reasons to prefer Android.
No, probably not. I’m just saying Google absolutely does sell your personal information. Apple says they don’t. What I said was that because it’s closed source, we don’t actually know.
We do know that Apple does track certain things. Telemetry, they all do it. What we don’t know is if they sell personally identifiable information. I think if it could be proven that they do, someone could sue over their “Privacy. That’s iPhone” campaign. They certainly wouldn’t be able to use it in any country where false advertising is not legal.
The difference between a computer company and an advertising agency, I suppose.
Moreover GrapheneOS requires Google Play Services to use most apps, so you’re not only using a Google device but also Google Play services! There are much better truly deGoogled alternatives around
That’s a lie, you can totally avoid Play Services if you truly want to with GrapheneOS, as it literally isn’t installed by default. If you only use Fdroid apps and have no need for push notifs, then you can truly use GOS with no Google.
But the average person probably needs those things mentioned, so you can download a sandboxed version of Play Store and Services instead.
This is patently false. I run GrapheneOS with no Google play services installed. The only issue I have is no paid app updates and some apps won’t send notifications since they ran through Google. I use my phone though mostly as a phone. I have almost no social media and I do not use banking apps on my phone. I choose to use website versions of anything on my phone so long as I can.
Not to mention, the replacement OSes like /e/os and the others don’t have the hardening of GrapheneOS. Cellibrite recently was leaked they still can’t crack open GrapheneOS.
The irony of having to buy a Google phone to get rid of Google services will never cease to amaze me. :/
You can buy second hand phones and then Google doesn’t get any more money. Easy solution.
buying second hand phones is like buying clothes with a hole in it. your going to have to replace the battery or the phone alot sooner than buying it new
Graphene is working with a different OEM, so, we may not need Google’s devices to run GrapheneOS soon.
We we’ll see haven’t they said stuff like this before? Also look at what happened with Cyanogen rom
We don’t know the OEM and chances are, it’s one whose hardware won’t work in the west, where the personal information Google harvests is worth more.
To Google, this move from Graphene is the trash taking itself out.
Bold to say someone else is likely wrong when you yourself admitted we know nothing. Why do you believe this other than your own pessimism?
We know Google sells the data. That’s their core business. They’ve never been shy about it either.
The main demographic of GrapheneOS users are in the west and the GrapheneOS team are a meticulous bunch. Why would they partner with an OEM whose hardware does not work with western cellular networks?
I guess we’ll find out when they announce their mystery partner.
I just hope it isn’t HTC or Motorola. Neither of them have done anything good in the last 10 years. And Google bought the HTC hardware team that made the Pixel 1.
Samsung is my hope. I think Samsung is big enough that they can sell certified Android phones and also open ones. I don’t think they will though. I would imagine it would be a smaller OEM. Or a shittier one.
No way would the devs ever be that based. They seem like big “Uyghur Googlers” if you catch my drift. The whole FOSS scene has been ideologically inoculated against the foreign countries that challenge the tech-finance-military monopoly that is the root of their problems. GOS is still a treasure of and it is the most fun forum to debatelord on tho - when wife sees it she thinks im working >:^]
if its a Chinese OEM im going to lol
Who else would it be? It’s not Samsung it’s not Google
Yeah probably Oneplus, Xiaomi??? or Nothing who are British
ah fuck i wish we were able to just know about all the backdoors in all our tech and turn them off
Unfortunately, Google manufacture the best-in-class hardware device when it comes to security features.
The real irony is paying Google what you’d pay for an iPhone 16 and getting iPhone 11 performance and they’re spying on you and selling your personal information to who knows who. Okay but you wiped the phone and installed custom firmware that doesn’t track you… but you still paid Google the price of current-gen iPhone and got a phone with the performance of one from 5 years ago. Google still won.
The personal information is the point, that’s the real gold mine, and they’ll get it from enough people to not care about the less than 1% of Pixel owners flashing Graphene. For those users, they’re happy to sell generations-old tech at a premium. And they call you a sucker behind your back. And then tell you Apple is the big corporate overlord you’re running from and make it sound like Apple is the enemy. (I’m not saying they’re not, but that’s a convenient story among fandroids. And it may not even be accurate. Because iOS has no open source component though… we don’t know.)
As a GrapheneOS user, having the fastest hardware is not the goal. Pixels can be purchased for a very reasonable price second-hand or from discount resellers. Apple’s hardware is indeed remarkable and iOS being closed-source is not the root of the issue - it’s that they insist on a heavily locked down bootloader, so I will not for a moment consider Apple unless by some miracle they open up their phones to third-party OSes.
I can agree with most of that. I like the Mac a lot more than I like the iPhone. But a Mac can install Linux. They also used to run Windows, and I think they can run Windows ARM but I’m not sure. I’ve also heard Windows ARM is not very good anyway.
Fortunately, Macs don’t require iPhones. My wife has an Android phone and has no problem with using Mac. She just doesn’t get Universal Clipboard, which is nice, but not a deal breaker to lose if you have other reasons to prefer Android.
wait…you think…having an iphone spares you from all of that? oh you sweet summer child.
No, probably not. I’m just saying Google absolutely does sell your personal information. Apple says they don’t. What I said was that because it’s closed source, we don’t actually know.
We do know that Apple does track certain things. Telemetry, they all do it. What we don’t know is if they sell personally identifiable information. I think if it could be proven that they do, someone could sue over their “Privacy. That’s iPhone” campaign. They certainly wouldn’t be able to use it in any country where false advertising is not legal.
The difference between a computer company and an advertising agency, I suppose.
i don’t trust apple to protect my data and sell it as much as alphabet does.
Moreover GrapheneOS requires Google Play Services to use most apps, so you’re not only using a Google device but also Google Play services! There are much better truly deGoogled alternatives around
That’s a lie, you can totally avoid Play Services if you truly want to with GrapheneOS, as it literally isn’t installed by default. If you only use Fdroid apps and have no need for push notifs, then you can truly use GOS with no Google.
But the average person probably needs those things mentioned, so you can download a sandboxed version of Play Store and Services instead.
This is patently false. I run GrapheneOS with no Google play services installed. The only issue I have is no paid app updates and some apps won’t send notifications since they ran through Google. I use my phone though mostly as a phone. I have almost no social media and I do not use banking apps on my phone. I choose to use website versions of anything on my phone so long as I can.
Not to mention, the replacement OSes like /e/os and the others don’t have the hardening of GrapheneOS. Cellibrite recently was leaked they still can’t crack open GrapheneOS.