I wish I didn’t, but I have to agree. It seems like there’s a lot of moral purity -folks out there, who do these things performatively especially online to gain some social points or something, I can’t believe every single one is a troll. A good example are “vegans”, who claim they want to save as many animals as possible, yet instead of trying to get people even reduce their meat consumption, just call everyone murderers and don’t even try to reason with anyone, even fight with vegetarians sometimes. Or “anarchists” who claim they want to abolish the system, but don’t actually take any steps to do so, other than fight people who mostly agree with them but think you have to take part in the system to change it…
(And apostrophes doing some heavy lifting there; there’s plenty of vegans and anarchists and whatever, who are reasonable, sane and actually practice what they believe in. Just… seen too many people in leftist online spaces that are none of those)
Points are meaningless here mate what are you on about. These spaces are one of the few where you don’t need to worry about social points and can speak plainly. Which is why I can tell you that your defence reflex that urges you to attack the messenger instead of thinking about what was said has flipped.
And veggies are worse. Premeditated Carnism. Always butting in with their irrelevant opinions on animal rights.
Does that last paragraph mean that you think it is better for vegans to fight with vegetarians, than to focus on what you agree with and oppose animal consumption together?
folks out there, who do these things performatively especially online to gain some social points or something
I actually think that you thinking this is a problem, is a large part of the problem. People refuse to recognize that other people might just have higher or different standards than them, and think it must be in bad faith. This leads to people who generally agree being fizzled out by all the other people they feel are speaking in bad faith (and there are many that are trying to support non leftist opinions tbf), and leads to leftists ending up being unable to realize that they are allies even if they don’t perfectly align. TBF its kinda hard to see someone shitting on you (as they think you’re a baddie with the fizzled out feather light triggers), but we kinda have to try to figure out how to do that, because otherwise, being a shitty human being is just a winning formula when they have a much easier time forming alliances because they can base their entire identities around hating some people for no good reason.
Oh yeah, general lack of genuine conversation is a huge problem, both in-group and out-group. If we all just discussed believing in good faith and without trying to just “win”, things would be a lot better. It is difficult now that there’s so much polarization going on, and a lot of real trolls spouting disinformation and trying to just get people angry… which sadly seems to be working a lot of the times. Personally I’ve lost my faith already and just tend to avoid taking part these days, which I do recognize is also one of the problems; since when people stop engaging because things are unpleasant, it leads to only the loudest and shittiest to stay to fight each other, which doesn’t exactly improve anything
I wish I didn’t, but I have to agree. It seems like there’s a lot of moral purity -folks out there, who do these things performatively especially online to gain some social points or something, I can’t believe every single one is a troll. A good example are “vegans”, who claim they want to save as many animals as possible, yet instead of trying to get people even reduce their meat consumption, just call everyone murderers and don’t even try to reason with anyone, even fight with vegetarians sometimes. Or “anarchists” who claim they want to abolish the system, but don’t actually take any steps to do so, other than fight people who mostly agree with them but think you have to take part in the system to change it…
(And apostrophes doing some heavy lifting there; there’s plenty of vegans and anarchists and whatever, who are reasonable, sane and actually practice what they believe in. Just… seen too many people in leftist online spaces that are none of those)
Points are meaningless here mate what are you on about. These spaces are one of the few where you don’t need to worry about social points and can speak plainly. Which is why I can tell you that your defence reflex that urges you to attack the messenger instead of thinking about what was said has flipped.
And veggies are worse. Premeditated Carnism. Always butting in with their irrelevant opinions on animal rights.
Does that last paragraph mean that you think it is better for vegans to fight with vegetarians, than to focus on what you agree with and oppose animal consumption together?
Just the ones that jump into threads about vegans and perpetuate their pish.
Oh that’s fair. Those types seem to be seeking for a fight anyway
I actually think that you thinking this is a problem, is a large part of the problem. People refuse to recognize that other people might just have higher or different standards than them, and think it must be in bad faith. This leads to people who generally agree being fizzled out by all the other people they feel are speaking in bad faith (and there are many that are trying to support non leftist opinions tbf), and leads to leftists ending up being unable to realize that they are allies even if they don’t perfectly align. TBF its kinda hard to see someone shitting on you (as they think you’re a baddie with the fizzled out feather light triggers), but we kinda have to try to figure out how to do that, because otherwise, being a shitty human being is just a winning formula when they have a much easier time forming alliances because they can base their entire identities around hating some people for no good reason.
Oh yeah, general lack of genuine conversation is a huge problem, both in-group and out-group. If we all just discussed believing in good faith and without trying to just “win”, things would be a lot better. It is difficult now that there’s so much polarization going on, and a lot of real trolls spouting disinformation and trying to just get people angry… which sadly seems to be working a lot of the times. Personally I’ve lost my faith already and just tend to avoid taking part these days, which I do recognize is also one of the problems; since when people stop engaging because things are unpleasant, it leads to only the loudest and shittiest to stay to fight each other, which doesn’t exactly improve anything