• Dessalines@lemmy.mlOP
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      The US and Britain genocided entire continents using representative “democracy” (IE capitalist dictatorship).

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        You don’t know what a dictatorship is. So far there isn’t a form of government that hasn’t. But unlike a dictatorship, the democracies improved

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          Very few modern states are settler states based on native eviction: only the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Israel.

          The major colonialist powers of the last few hundred years were a tiny number of european nations.

          But unlike a dictatorship, the democracies improved

          The US and other capitalist states based on representative democracy aren’t democracies, and you’d be hard-pressed to find ppl saying they’re improving.

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            Even off the top of my head, there’s japan as well. So your first statement is explicitly wrong. I’m sure I can find numerous more examples if I care to start digging.

            The US and other capitalist states based on representative democracy aren’t democracies, and you’d be hard-pressed to find ppl saying they’re improving.

            Improved. I didn’t use the present tense. Backslides happen. They’re alarming and need to be stopped. So, you’re advocating for pure democracy. Do you believe every rule and regulation should be decided by majority vote? Personally, I believe some form of representative democracy is the only practical way to run a country/collective. Otherwise, constant votes will prevent people from paying attention

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      Things got better after unified monarchies ordained by God superceded quarreling petty kingdoms. Things got better with constitutional monarchies with aristocrat parliaments. Things got better with suffrage and classic liberal democracy.

      Each system has its limitations and contradictions, and each of them were superceded when those became incompatible with the current reality.

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        Yup. Capitalist liberal democracy is the best system we’ve ever had at scale. It’s shite for numerous reasons, but it’s better than what came before. We can acknowledge the benefits while simultaneously acknowledging that we can do better.

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          Capitalism was in many ways progressive as compared to feudalism, but came with new devastation and greater imperialism on a massive scale. Socialism has been far better for the people than capitalism has been, though, and as imperialism crumbles and socialist countries are rising this is becoming clearer and clearer.