• mitram@lemmy.pt
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    2 days ago

    Wouldn’t you consider Hitler’s ideology authoritarian? Or Mussolini’s?

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      2 days ago

      I would consider authoritarian a useless word for describing them. Sure, you could call them that and it would fit, but it says very little about them and fails to distinguish them from other states.

      All states are authoritarian. Holding and exerting authority is the point of a state. The state exists as a tool for a class to express its authority over the other.

      This same issue applies to the term dictatorship as well. When we hear the term authoritarian we must ask authority for whom. When we hear the word dictatorship we must ask what group is dictating and to what end.

      Until the state is abolished every society is authoritarian and a dictatorship. So what’s the point of the descriptor?

      Edit: if I have been too vague I’m happy to elaborate further

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        18 minutes ago

        I find it interesting the way you put it

        What would a stateless society look like in your opinion? Are there any practical examples?

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      2 days ago

      It’s less that “authoritarian” is made up, and more that it’s useless. Hitler and Mussolini represented the capitalist class and oppressed workers and other social groups. Socialist states represent workers, and oppress capitalists and fascists through land reform and collectivization. Both wield authority, but some for good and some for bad.

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        I don’t agree with equating the behaviour of fascist states and AES.

        Yes both wield authority, but one’s authority is backed by a small number of people with access to great power and resources, while other’s authority is legitimised by the will of the majority

        I believe that difference is critical in differentiating the two

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      2 days ago

      Hitler’s government qualifies as “authoritarian” in the same way that FDR’s government does. It can describe Starmer’s UK. Or Sheinbaum’s Mexico. It can be applied as easily to Lai Ching-te’s Taiwan as Xi’s China. It’s a nothingburger of a word, mostly implying you don’t like the policies of the person in charge.

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        12 minutes ago

        I’m not sure I agree with your view.

        Words are commonly misused but they still have meanings. In a society where the will of the majority is ignored in favour of the will of the few I think most people would agree it’s an authoritarian society, it’s usually not that black and white but every society is closer or further from authoritarian