Its because of how it disrespects the user. it keeps nagging you to update, then forces it at an inconvenient time and because the updates take so long in comparison.
Within 0-4 days (or therabouts) of a Patch Tuesday, updates hit your device.
Everything is happening 100% in the background at this point. Updates are getting prepped for installation.
If you haven’t rebooted to apply the updates for about 4-7 days, you’ll start getting notifications that you should
If you have Active Hours set up, the OS will not bother you while these are active.
After something like 10-14 days you might be forced to apply the updates.
To each their own, but I wouldn’t call this “disrespecting the user”. And “forcing updates at an inconvenient time” is just silly, with how much leeway you’re getting.
Also: maybe you’re used to something much faster, but, personally, I don’t find clicking “update and shutdown” when I go to sleep and then coming back to an updated PC in the morning that problematic. The longest I had to sit through the updates was 20 minutes because I wanted to apply a Feature Update.
I guess my point is: there’s A LOT to bash Microsoft and Windows for. No need to invent things that aren’t there.
Yeah right…come to tell this again when you DON’T want an update(because it may break something like what happened with SSDs or you just want to wait a little more than others so you get something more stable) and you need to keep postpone instead of blocking the update and then when you don’t expect it “shutdown and update” thank you! Right now that i was about to close my laptop because i have to exit my damn school!
At least with a Fedora i can just choose when i need it or with debian i don’t have to update often and if i must say at least with Linux i have to reboot my system only when the kernel get an update
Yeah right…come to tell this again when you DON’T want an update
As a guy who worked in IT for the past 20 years - yeah, fuck that, force the general public to update. I’d add a feature that if they try to fuck with the update system they get whipped.
There’s enough botnets already.
because it may break something like what happened with SSDs
That happened to, what? 0,000001% of devices? And got fixed pretty quickly - more than enough time for the built-in defer update options.
Right now that i was about to close my laptop because i have to exit my damn school
Set your Active Hours, mate…
At least with a Fedora i can just choose when i need it or with debian i don’t have to update often and if i must say at least with Linux i have to reboot my system only when the kernel get an update
It’s fantastic that we can do that on Linux, I love it. But 99,9999% of the population of this planet has no clue wtf they’re doing. Security updates are like vaccines - everybody needs them so we can build herd immunity.
I always prefer to wait at least 3 days to see if there is any problem with the update to be honest so i don’5 have to deal with it at all, why risk having my workflow compromised?
Set your active hours, mate…
I would have to change it every week since i don’t have fixed hours, it’s just too inconvenient.
It’s fantastic that we can do that on linux…
Yeah i agree but out there not everyone is a normie that can barely create a folder, if i want the update to be delayed i shouldn’t be limited by the OS!
I always prefer to wait at least 3 days to see if there is any problem with the update to be honest so i don’5 have to deal with it at all, why risk having my workflow compromised?
True!
Which is why Windows lets you defer updates for around 14 days.
Yeah i agree but out there not everyone is a normie that can barely create a folder, if i want the update to be delayed i shouldn’t be limited by the OS!
The issue is that there are TONNES of grifters out there who will peddle bullshit for Internet clout.
Back in the Windows XP days there used to be legends that if you disabled Windows Update, you’d get 10% extra FPS in games. And people with no clue would go and disable updates…
So, I’m glad I’m not forced to update on Linux. But I’m much more glad that Windows, with its, what, 75% market share, does force updates. We (as a civilisation) have already proven that we’re not mature enough to be allowed to disable them.
What? You can easily turn updates off entirely during situations where that’s going on. It’s a single switch in the settings.
EDIT: Fucking hell, they changed it to just being able to turn off updates for 35 days. You can reset that countdown back to 35 days indefinitely, but that is some grade A bullshit.
Settings>Windows Update>Advanced Options, Then Pause Updates down at the bottom.
That’s also where you can find some settings for disabling auto-restart as well.
My bad, I’ll check again when I get home. Could have sworn it was available by default, but it might be a Pro/Enterprise version thing, or something I had to do through Group Policy (Pro/Enterprise unless there’s an underlying registry entry you can snag to apply to Home installs).
Either way, 100% agree that you should never have to jump through hoops for such a basic piece of functionality. It’s your machine, not Microsoft’s.
EDIT: Yeah, you’re right. Can pause updates for 35 days. You can keep resetting those 35 days indefinitely, but that’s some bullshit.
And it looks like all my fancy ways of disabling auto-restarts for updates are all Group Policy, so restricted to Pro and Enterprise versions. That’s some shit.
Protip: If you need Windows then go with the Pro version for the most config options against the bullshit, but don’t pay for it. Get a super discounted price from a licensed OEM license key seller, or just use MASGrave to spoof the license for free.
Its because of how it disrespects the user. it keeps nagging you to update, then forces it at an inconvenient time and because the updates take so long in comparison.
The process is simple:
To each their own, but I wouldn’t call this “disrespecting the user”. And “forcing updates at an inconvenient time” is just silly, with how much leeway you’re getting.
Also: maybe you’re used to something much faster, but, personally, I don’t find clicking “update and shutdown” when I go to sleep and then coming back to an updated PC in the morning that problematic. The longest I had to sit through the updates was 20 minutes because I wanted to apply a Feature Update.
I guess my point is: there’s A LOT to bash Microsoft and Windows for. No need to invent things that aren’t there.
Yeah right…come to tell this again when you DON’T want an update(because it may break something like what happened with SSDs or you just want to wait a little more than others so you get something more stable) and you need to keep postpone instead of blocking the update and then when you don’t expect it “shutdown and update” thank you! Right now that i was about to close my laptop because i have to exit my damn school!
At least with a Fedora i can just choose when i need it or with debian i don’t have to update often and if i must say at least with Linux i have to reboot my system only when the kernel get an update
As a guy who worked in IT for the past 20 years - yeah, fuck that, force the general public to update. I’d add a feature that if they try to fuck with the update system they get whipped.
There’s enough botnets already.
That happened to, what? 0,000001% of devices? And got fixed pretty quickly - more than enough time for the built-in defer update options.
Set your Active Hours, mate…
It’s fantastic that we can do that on Linux, I love it. But 99,9999% of the population of this planet has no clue wtf they’re doing. Security updates are like vaccines - everybody needs them so we can build herd immunity.
I always prefer to wait at least 3 days to see if there is any problem with the update to be honest so i don’5 have to deal with it at all, why risk having my workflow compromised?
I would have to change it every week since i don’t have fixed hours, it’s just too inconvenient.
Yeah i agree but out there not everyone is a normie that can barely create a folder, if i want the update to be delayed i shouldn’t be limited by the OS!
True!
Which is why Windows lets you defer updates for around 14 days.
The issue is that there are TONNES of grifters out there who will peddle bullshit for Internet clout.
Back in the Windows XP days there used to be legends that if you disabled Windows Update, you’d get 10% extra FPS in games. And people with no clue would go and disable updates…
So, I’m glad I’m not forced to update on Linux. But I’m much more glad that Windows, with its, what, 75% market share, does force updates. We (as a civilisation) have already proven that we’re not mature enough to be allowed to disable them.
What? You can easily turn updates off entirely during situations where that’s going on. It’s a single switch in the settings.
EDIT: Fucking hell, they changed it to just being able to turn off updates for 35 days. You can reset that countdown back to 35 days indefinitely, but that is some grade A bullshit.
Settings>Windows Update>Advanced Options, Then Pause Updates down at the bottom.
That’s also where you can find some settings for disabling auto-restart as well.
Dude there is only “suspend updates for [number of weeks, max 5]” and even if you should usually update the system often, not everyone want or can
My bad, I’ll check again when I get home. Could have sworn it was available by default, but it might be a Pro/Enterprise version thing, or something I had to do through Group Policy (Pro/Enterprise unless there’s an underlying registry entry you can snag to apply to Home installs).
Either way, 100% agree that you should never have to jump through hoops for such a basic piece of functionality. It’s your machine, not Microsoft’s.
EDIT: Yeah, you’re right. Can pause updates for 35 days. You can keep resetting those 35 days indefinitely, but that’s some bullshit.
And it looks like all my fancy ways of disabling auto-restarts for updates are all Group Policy, so restricted to Pro and Enterprise versions. That’s some shit.
Protip: If you need Windows then go with the Pro version for the most config options against the bullshit, but don’t pay for it. Get a super discounted price from a licensed OEM license key seller, or just use MASGrave to spoof the license for free.
MASgrave is life, MASgrave is love