Someone has to help them see the contradictions within their own beliefs, if they don’t get there on their own. For the most part, I think the most likely candidates are people who were once like them (and there are social media accounts like this), since they’ll be more likely to listen to someone who they feel understands them. If people who have already recovered from that life aren’t available, then someone matching the qualities they wouldn’t reject in a friend is the next best thing. In other words, THIS is where allies are supposed to shine if they want to be doing something meaningful to help.
At the earliest, those of us in one or more of their currently most hated marginalized groups can start stepping in once they’ve crossed the threshold from “this doesn’t feel right” to “how do I start connecting with others in a healthier way.” Allies should help them bridge that initial gap first, and then the tougher-skinned ones among their friends in marginalized groups can ideally join in. That’s how a functioning, healthy society should work. Instead of tunnel vision/pipelines and social bubbles, we need genuine healing and connection.
As an aside, I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how preemptive (as opposed to reactive) social isolation is actually remarkably analogous to expecting someone in financial poverty to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. It’s just that the problem is an emotional form of poverty instead of financial (or both). Some externalize the pain (hating/blaming group X), and some internalize it (any marginalized group that tries to be MAGA), and some do both (“own the libs!”) but all in all we’re talking about people trying to convince themselves they’re happy while also struggling to drown their own humanity.
You can’t win a game against people who aren’t following the rules. What you’re suggesting works when there’s a foundational understanding that is shared, otherwise they must be kicked out of the game (by society at large) until they agree to follow the rules.
It doesn’t matter if it’s a far-right conspirasist that believes Democrats eat blended up human babies or a far-left feminist that believes bullets and rockets are penis shaped to oppress the masses by flaunting the power of the white man to keep the patriarchy in power.
We teach this to children, everyone can play regardless of color, origin, or race, but as soon as any of the kids start biting or screaming in peoples ears, they’re not allowed to play with the rest. Its called consequences.
That kind of pie-in-the-sky happy happy optimism won’t work on MAGA. They are too far gone. Literally anything you say to them is a lie (in their mind). Every fact is “fake”. Every source is "Pfft…that’s what they want you believe*. Every survey is “biased” and every person who doesn’t agree with them is a “radical”.
Your tips apply to regular debate, even to some degree with christian conservatives. But MAGA is legitimately a cult at that point.
When they firmly believe that Charlie Kirk performed a miracle by preventing the bullet from killing people behind him, they aren’t a rational group anymore; they’re mentally ill.
How do you win the hearts and minds of cult members tho?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XeHviTKEqSo&pp=ygUIaiBkcmFwZXI%3D
Someone has to help them see the contradictions within their own beliefs, if they don’t get there on their own. For the most part, I think the most likely candidates are people who were once like them (and there are social media accounts like this), since they’ll be more likely to listen to someone who they feel understands them. If people who have already recovered from that life aren’t available, then someone matching the qualities they wouldn’t reject in a friend is the next best thing. In other words, THIS is where allies are supposed to shine if they want to be doing something meaningful to help.
At the earliest, those of us in one or more of their currently most hated marginalized groups can start stepping in once they’ve crossed the threshold from “this doesn’t feel right” to “how do I start connecting with others in a healthier way.” Allies should help them bridge that initial gap first, and then the tougher-skinned ones among their friends in marginalized groups can ideally join in. That’s how a functioning, healthy society should work. Instead of tunnel vision/pipelines and social bubbles, we need genuine healing and connection.
As an aside, I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how preemptive (as opposed to reactive) social isolation is actually remarkably analogous to expecting someone in financial poverty to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. It’s just that the problem is an emotional form of poverty instead of financial (or both). Some externalize the pain (hating/blaming group X), and some internalize it (any marginalized group that tries to be MAGA), and some do both (“own the libs!”) but all in all we’re talking about people trying to convince themselves they’re happy while also struggling to drown their own humanity.
By discussing their beliefs with them and not ridiculing them.
By avoiding emotional inaccurate rhetoric and biased sources.
By carefully deconstructing their beliefs without attacking them
Not allowing yourself to be pulled off topic.
You can’t win a game against people who aren’t following the rules. What you’re suggesting works when there’s a foundational understanding that is shared, otherwise they must be kicked out of the game (by society at large) until they agree to follow the rules.
It doesn’t matter if it’s a far-right conspirasist that believes Democrats eat blended up human babies or a far-left feminist that believes bullets and rockets are penis shaped to oppress the masses by flaunting the power of the white man to keep the patriarchy in power.
We teach this to children, everyone can play regardless of color, origin, or race, but as soon as any of the kids start biting or screaming in peoples ears, they’re not allowed to play with the rest. Its called consequences.
That kind of pie-in-the-sky happy happy optimism won’t work on MAGA. They are too far gone. Literally anything you say to them is a lie (in their mind). Every fact is “fake”. Every source is "Pfft…that’s what they want you believe*. Every survey is “biased” and every person who doesn’t agree with them is a “radical”.
Your tips apply to regular debate, even to some degree with christian conservatives. But MAGA is legitimately a cult at that point.
When they firmly believe that Charlie Kirk performed a miracle by preventing the bullet from killing people behind him, they aren’t a rational group anymore; they’re mentally ill.