Which is why /u/jailbaitlover I mean /u/spez is sending the message that they would gladly give total power to whatever mod crosses the picket line so they can boot the rest.

If Reddit had to replace all these mods it would be complete chaos and is not much better than the blackout. They will see the same exact problems Twitter has seen since they fired most of their content moderators.

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    It’s beyond my understanding why someone would moderate a subreddit for free for a for-profit organization.

    I thought moderators were paid or something. It’s literally working for free. I don’t get it.

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      Two reasons:

      • The desire to shepherd a vibrant community of people around a subject that is important to you
      • Dick swinging
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    I think what this entire debacle has revealed is how incredibly unfit Huffman is to be involved in running a major site, much less one with as much reach as reddit.

    I’ve read most of his comments and it’s all centered around “reddit can’t afford to keep paying everyone’s API fees while everyone else makes bank”. Which is fair enough.

    But it also reads like a CEO who simply hasn’t been paying attention to much of anything and who woke up one morning to realize that they’d already handed away the company’s most valuable assets by letting Google and ChatGPT and other LLM companies harvest everything they need to build their products while reddit happily and blithely pays the bills. And now that other companies are starting to look profitable by building off what reddit paid to give away, Hoffman is both massively jealous and panicking, desperately trying to put the genie back in the bottle. Only instead of going through every company that uses the API, figuring out how much they use and what they use it for and how necessary that use is for reddit’s business, it looks like he panicked and tried to charge everyone the same rate. He didn’t do any research into the issue and realize that Google harvests massive amounts of data that it uses in it’s search results and to improve and program it’s products and makes massive amounts of money, vs small apps that run basic queries that massively improve the reddit experience and that don’t make much money at all. He just wants to charge everyone the same amount and keeps demanding that small apps pay the same as Google, because he’s pissed he wasn’t paying enough attention to notice what was going on.

    And he’s scared shirtless because he’s had an easy run of reddit CEO, and now people are asking questions about his lack of vision and he’s afraid that no one will ever give him such an easy and lucrative job ever again. And $10 million in the bank plus whatever stock options he has may look like a lot of money to us peons, it really isn’t among the people he wants to keep hanging around with.

    The one thing he’s doing half-smart is the spin game. That’s what that AMA was about, not to engage with the community, but to put out a dozen or so pre-written quotes that reddit could point to in interviews and say “look, here, this is what’s really going on, and we’ve tried.”

    In the end, I think Huffman’s massive failings can be summarized in his comment that “[reddit will] continue to be profit-driven until profits arrive” - as if the arrival of profits is inevitable and no one needs to do anything to ensure their safe journey. Which seems to summarize his period as CEO: just coast along like normal and surely some profits will arrive - and then panic when the profits start arriving for companies with CEOs who do they job and attention to their business.

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      That’s what I don’t understand from the start. Why not just look who uses the API and charge based on that?

      Google, you pay 10x per API call. ChatGPT, you pay also 10x. Random LLM, you pay 5x. Apollo, you 2x, random app with 1k downloads from the play store, you pay 0. Bumm.

      Okay, not in this obvious way, because then they can complain for discrimination, but maybe some tiered one aimed against the big single-entity players. Also: per API key/user, not just per API key.

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    Bad moderation is a recipe for desaster and can be the death of any site.

    It’s not as easy as putting anyone in place of the mods that are protesting. Putting power-hungry unexperienced people in place of the old moderators may be one of the best ways to actually kill reddit (or any site for the matter)

    I’ve seen it happen many times to count.

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    I wonder if people will deliberately take on mod roles to try and make Reddit worse and drive traffic to Lemmy/kbin.

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      I doubt that it is just the CEO. With an IPO coming up, all the stakeholders and the board and the senior leadership are poised to make a shit ton of money. This whole thing is designed to make the company more attractive to investors so they are all on board.

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          Pretty sure spez is making a ton of money at this point. He’s been working on Reddit for like 15 years and ,while I’m sure he’s managed to earn a nice paycheck for some of those years, he’s finally in reach of a big payout

          I expect he will (because I’d do the same) sell his shares ASAP and disappear from public life

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            Executive compensation is often largely in company stock. There’s your incentive to stick around and fuck everyone in their peeholes for increased shareholder value your own personal benefit.

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    They’re not gonna replace all of them at once. Some admins will get assigned to work their way down the list (ranked by subscribers probably) and while this is going on I predict a lot of smaller subs are gonna falter resolving it.

    People are already making separate subs so smaller ones might eventually get replaced.

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      There’s a difference between putting a new body in and putting a quality moderator in who’s doing it because that’s what they want to be doing.

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        I… Don’t think they realize how much work mods do, to both cultivate the community in their subs and to keep them from become a cesspool of society.

        I say just let spez mod a spicy subreddit like WSB or dataisbeautiful. You haven’t seen adult individuals decend to throwing feces at one another until they start arguing about the appropriate scale for a graph. Or one of the truecrime subs like TrueCrimeDiscussion, where every comment hidden 40 comments deep can be a dox. 🤣