• CaptObvious@literature.cafe
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    1 year ago

    Who the hell thinks beta software is appropriate for real-world applications in something as dangerous as vehicle control at highway speeds?

    I’ve come to believe that all Teslas should be recalled until they get their act together. They’re getting people hurt and killed by field testing their experiments on roadways that we paid for.

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      1 year ago

      More importantly, hold musk responsible for the mayhem. They call it “full self driving” when it has not qualified to be called that.

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      1 year ago

      While I agree, let’s not pretend like this is limited just to Tesla. My feed lately has had numerous stories of crazy FSD taxis as well.

      I also have to say that one of my concerns with FSD is the deterioration in people’s driving skills and their awareness of their car’s abilities (especially as those change over time). Leaving aside all the wisecracks about people’s normal abilities or not paying attention anyway, let’s take a snowstorm. FSD can’t drive in it, so you’re left with regular human drivers going manual in their cars. But they haven’t actually driven themselves in a while, so they’ve forgotten some of the lessons they learned like how to apply the brakes differently in ice and snow, they don’t know where the corners of their car are, they’re driving entirely too fast and - because their FSD car was compensating for mechanical issues - they’re not aware that their tires are near-bald and the brakes are iffy.

      Thing is, I know this is something that’s going to happen. I just don’t know how we can mitigate the risks.

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      Who the hell thinks beta software is appropriate for real-world applications in something as dangerous as vehicle control at highway speeds?

      I honestly think it’s a mixture of public perception and liability. The company can try to spin negative insurances as “well, we said it’s still in beta, there are bugs we’re still ironing out”. And legally I think the stance is “we said it’s a beta version, if you used it in a dangerous situation that’s on you”.

      I know it doesn’t exactly work that way, but I genuinely think they’re positioning that way at that if (read: when) a legal case pops up they can use the “beta” moniker as part of a defence.

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        1 year ago

        Agreed. I’m just not sure how regulators justify allowing software that claims to be beta to operate a vehicle autonomously.

    • max@feddit.nl
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      1 year ago

      Users do. See all the people running iOS betas on their daily drivers, then complaining about a forced reset or data loss.

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      1 year ago

      You do realise not everyone has access to FSB Beta right? It’s just a select bunch of users and you’re forced to have always your hand close to the steering wheel otherwise it will deactivate.

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        1 year ago

        That’s not true. It’s been open to anyone who requests it for many months

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          1 year ago

          As far as I know you still have to fulfill some parameters. Also, it asks you to never distract from what the car is doing.

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              1 year ago

              Still, you’re joining a beta, which means you probably are signing some specific terms of service agreeing on that.

              Beta, Alpha aren’t just names.

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                1 year ago

                Yeah my dude, but that’s not the part I’m disagreeing with. You made one false claim and one true one, and I’m pointing out that the false one is false.

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                  Yes I was unaware they had opened it up. Still, there’s terms of service, there’s naming of the product so people should always do their research.