So like, when do we get a government-run service to issue zero-knowledge proofs about us so companies have no reason to store stuff like this in the first place?
If I had to choose between a government and a private entity to store my personal governmental records (e.g. age and name), I’d 100% choose the government first.
I assume OP actually meant the additional info the government can get from where I authenticate with my goverment ID to a company.
Hypothecial situation: You wanna buy a sex toy.
If the goverment does store where and what you buy, they could punish you by withholding services.
And they might not say why and give a bs excuse or send you on a goose hunt to do more paperwork.
You can suspect that but probably never proof that it was the case.
As always life is complicated.
I am talking about my personal situation.
^(Do I really need to put a disclaimer to all posts, that mentions all comments are from my own view and might no apply to every situation in every country?)
??? This is just textbook sso/openid but backed by the government. There’s nothing intrinsically insecure about having third parties send you directly to a trusted government site for authorization.
What connection do you think a third party is saving when using openid? Generally speaking the only thing the third party needs is your identifier which in most cases is just an email. It’s no more devastating for the user base for that information to be leaked than it is when they’re handling authorization themselves. I personally think using a government backed authorization platform is a terrible idea and something completely liable to be abused by those in power, but it would objectively be better than trying to have every single service store your personally identifiable information themselves.
The only entity able to connect you in this case is the identity verification third party. The premise is that a government-backed identification system is more secure than a rando private company.
Private company asks government “hey is this user real and unique”, government replies “yes”. Private webiste does not need to know your ID. No identifying element needs to be transmitted by the government.
Of course some private companies will need more, and in that case the user, you, can grant them access to data, much like the current authentication systems using Google accounts & co.
In which case the flow would be:
Rando insecure company asks government “is this user real and unique? I need their name”
Government website asks you “this rando company wants to know your name”
You accept
Goverbment replies to rando insecure conpany “yes, user real, name is X”
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So like, when do we get a government-run service to issue zero-knowledge proofs about us so companies have no reason to store stuff like this in the first place?
Oh aye, I am the #1 government truster, they should “not record” where I visit and should be trusted to ignore my internet history
They wouldn’t see what sites you give the tokens to — unless those sites choose to phone home, for some reason.
If I had to choose between a government and a private entity to store my personal governmental records (e.g. age and name), I’d 100% choose the government first.
In turkey, the government stores data words than the company. I can be doxxed just by giving you hints of which city I live in. It’s bad
easy to say, but that depends entirely on the government and company doesn’t it?
Any government already has all of that information, so, no.
By giving it to a company, you just increase the risks of info leakage.
I assume OP actually meant the additional info the government can get from where I authenticate with my goverment ID to a company.
Hypothecial situation: You wanna buy a sex toy.
If the goverment does store where and what you buy, they could punish you by withholding services.
And they might not say why and give a bs excuse or send you on a goose hunt to do more paperwork.
You can suspect that but probably never proof that it was the case.
As always life is complicated.
I am talking about my personal situation.
^(Do I really need to put a disclaimer to all posts, that mentions all comments are from my own view and might no apply to every situation in every country?)
It either doesn’t work or means that they have your ID info anyways. There’s no 3rd option
??? This is just textbook sso/openid but backed by the government. There’s nothing intrinsically insecure about having third parties send you directly to a trusted government site for authorization.
And how does that prevent hacks that reveal the connection between ID and user account ?
What connection do you think a third party is saving when using openid? Generally speaking the only thing the third party needs is your identifier which in most cases is just an email. It’s no more devastating for the user base for that information to be leaked than it is when they’re handling authorization themselves. I personally think using a government backed authorization platform is a terrible idea and something completely liable to be abused by those in power, but it would objectively be better than trying to have every single service store your personally identifiable information themselves.
The only entity able to connect you in this case is the identity verification third party. The premise is that a government-backed identification system is more secure than a rando private company.
Private company asks government “hey is this user real and unique”, government replies “yes”. Private webiste does not need to know your ID. No identifying element needs to be transmitted by the government.
Of course some private companies will need more, and in that case the user, you, can grant them access to data, much like the current authentication systems using Google accounts & co.
In which case the flow would be:
That’s how it should be.