My point was to rebuff all these comments saying there’s no way X Y Z could happen. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence + where there’s smoke there’s fire.
The problem is you and your strawman will never agree on how much fire there could be when you’re citing CCP press releases and he’s citing 3rd parties and hearsay.
Going to reply in broad strokes here due to length:
Previously: […]
Re-read my comment and point out where I definitively endorsed that every single one of those things is happening. I listed what I did as examples of the ways a genocide can manifest outside of mass murder.
You’re citing the imperialist genocide definition, look up what Lemkin’s original definition was.
Just for fun and as an example of how futile these arguments are: Uyghur birth rate allegedly dropped something like 60% from 2016 - 2019 compared to a fractional drop for the general population. Plenty of sources will say a similar number and how it’s from official records but you’ll refuse to accept them so there’s no acceptable way to prove it
[Salafi terrorists]…
Want to be clear I’m not making any political endorsement about the moral standing of any side. Terrorist/freedom fighter, etc…
Any violent separatist group has a resentful seed, people don’t blow stuff up solely because some foreign government told them to.
Yeah, non-state belligerents are going to get foreign funding, not sure what that has to do with my point.
[Tibetan immolation]
More funding talk, more dismissing sources…
You can find images of these. I won’t post here because they’re pretty graphic, but that’s concrete evidence in my book. Feel free to equivocate on exact number and intent, but my point was to show that these extreme protests happen.
[border restrictions etc…]
Pointing out that a disproportionate amount of the restricted area is in these controversial regions
Not all countries require a permit to approach these areas, generally they’ll let you walk through with a regular visa
There are accounts of rural villages and obscure rural highways being sporadically restricted. Odd for obvious reasons but again you’ll dismiss and there’s no way for either of us to officially confirm the specific locations 🤷
I’m not here with any specific dog in this race, but it’s clear that these counter arguments come in with a predetermined conclusion and deflect anything that doesn’t fit as a lie. Is there any claim the Chinese government could make that you wouldn’t defend?
It’s not up for argument that this repression has happened in China’s long history, you can check any history book you like (even China’s). The modern difference is careful media control and domestic isolation, which is perfect for creating this exact vague deniability.
You have provided no sources, despite making extraordinary claims. You and I having heard these narratives our whole lives isn’t evidence, it’s indoctrination. The burden of proof isn’t on me.
I used to believe all of this, too, like everyone else. They’re the unexamined received wisdom we swim in.
My point was to rebuff all these comments saying there’s no way X Y Z could happen. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence + where there’s smoke there’s fire.
The problem is you and your strawman will never agree on how much fire there could be when you’re citing CCP press releases and he’s citing 3rd parties and hearsay.
Going to reply in broad strokes here due to length:
I’m not here with any specific dog in this race, but it’s clear that these counter arguments come in with a predetermined conclusion and deflect anything that doesn’t fit as a lie. Is there any claim the Chinese government could make that you wouldn’t defend?
It’s not up for argument that this repression has happened in China’s long history, you can check any history book you like (even China’s). The modern difference is careful media control and domestic isolation, which is perfect for creating this exact vague deniability.
And you’re citing nothing and unironically arguing “you can’t prove its not true!”
You have provided no sources, despite making extraordinary claims. You and I having heard these narratives our whole lives isn’t evidence, it’s indoctrination. The burden of proof isn’t on me.
I used to believe all of this, too, like everyone else. They’re the unexamined received wisdom we swim in.