Windows only in a VM.
That is the only way.
Setting a BIOS password stops Windows from fucking with most things in your boot partition, I’d open-mouth kiss whomever told me that tip
I told you. Now kiss me ( ˘ ³˘)
No. It was me.
NO, I’m Sparta-Kiss!
Guess we’ve got a polycule now
It’s a monogamous couple a molecule?
This info would have been so fucking useful a decade or two ago
you mean that password function actually had a use this whole time?!?
I wish I knew that 20 years ago.
Just stop dual booting. This is self-inflicted harm. Setup a VM or find a native workaround.
Windows is the virus
I actually had a Linux update do this once when it updated grub. Took a bit to fix but nothing was lost.
Back when I dual booted, I had the most success keeping Windows on a separate drive completely. After making the Linux drive the primary boot device, GRUB would pick it up and I’d be off to the races. I now just keep a Windows VM – it’s been much easier to deal with.
Boy howdy, you best keep that BitLocker key handy, though.
I’m not following, do you need the bitlocker key when Linux is on a separate disk? is there something extra you need to keep in mind compared to just running windows?
Just when recovering a windows partition encrypted with bitlocker.
Yeah. My TPM would trip every time Linux updated my hardware firmware… which was fairly common.
I was going to dual boot, to kind of test the waters of using Linux as my primary. Then I heard there were is with Windows not wanting to play nice, so now I just run Linux.
And to be honest I don’t actually know what any of the issues are, I didn’t care enough to even search it. I just said Fuck Windows and moved on with my life.
That was probably the right move. I had multiple drives, but only one SSD at the time, and I decided to dual boot with both on that SSD. Long story short, Windows fucked it up, I spent a lot of time recovering things, but Windows was never able to be recovered (I did manage to get Linux Bootable again). I decided to grab anything important off that drive and then just turned it fully into a Linux drive, and ditched Windows completely. It’s been great since.
Windows is literally designed to break multi-boot setups. Funny enough, multibooting on a Mac was never a big problem. Microsoft has more of a reason to cooperate here and they just can’t help themselves.
My bet is it’s partially on purpose. They think they can keep you on Windows by doing this, but for me it just ensured I go 100% Linux.
I think it’s worse. It’s negligence. If their OS works, they don’t care what it does to the rest of your computer.
I think it started as negligence, but there’s no way they aren’t aware of it now and it’s willful too. At first it happened because they didn’t care, but now it happens because they like the result.
I currently dual boot like this. I’m still really new to Linux but I always wondered about this meme since I didn’t have to change my boot settings other than to boot the drive with Linux first. Now it makes sense but it had me wondering for a while there!
I dual boot grub+linux from a wholly separate drive set as the boot drive, windows boot loader is unused, untouched, isolated on the windows drive.
Windows update still broke grub.
Pull my hair out for a few hours trying to find a fix, about to try something but have to reboot one last time.
Everything is fine, back to normal.
same thing happened to me years ago. it was at that point I made the decision to never dual boot.
I have two dedicated windows devices, and the rest are Linux.
I did,for a time, dual boot by installing windows on an external m.2 drive over TB3 and had a grub entry in for it. I never updated windows and frankly only used it about once a month for work related bs.
I’ve been dualbooting for over a year now. Made sure each system has its own separate drive. I’ve noticed that every time I had to reinstall Linux, my windows boot entry is gone and then I can’t access it no matter what I tried. Turned out installing Linux first then windows was my mistake. When installing windows while there is a Linux install, windows will see the EFI partition already there and just decides to share it, and doesn’t create its own.
I found that out by accident while I was in windows’ storage management. There was no efi partition. Took a whole day to find out how to create one on the same drive where windows is installed and removing the one it created on the Linux partition. It was so painful.
Bottomline, install windows first if you want to dualboot. After that, even if windows takes over the boot after an update, all it does is resets the boot sequence and makes it default to it. You’d just need to access the bios and reset the sequence to prioritize Linux. That’s it
When installing windows while there is a Linux install, windows will see the EFI partition already there and just decides to share it, and doesn’t create its own.
That’s what it’s supposed to do, it’s a plain FAT32 partition, the bootloaders are just files you put in there.
Part of the issue is that while a well-made motherboard will look for all bootloaders on the partition and present them as options in the firmware UI, bad ones will only look for a specific file (
\EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFI) and use that. For an OS to have a chance of booting on those boards it has to overwrite that file, blowing away whatever other bootloader was there before.It’s annoying, since Windows is mostly well behaved here (It puts the main copy of the bootloader at
\EFI\Microsoft\Boot\bootmgfw.efiand Linux bootloaders can see that and offer it, the reverse isn’t true) and can co-exist with Linux well (Well…), but manufacturers cutting corners causes more problems for everybody.The
\EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFIis the only file the UEFI standard says it is required automatically lookup from an EFI system partition. There can many EFI partitions but the UEFI is only required to find a single file per such a partition.efibootmgr -ucan show all bios auto created boot entries (don’t touch those, the bios can/will reset them at whim) and the manually created entries that don’t launch a BOOTX64.EFI named file.Wow, damn. I didn’t know the motherboard can have a hand in this. Stupid gigabyte then. I hope this time, windows stays in its lane if I ever had to reinstall Linux. Thank you for the explanation, btw. Much appreciated
I’d double check, if you haven’t picked an option specifically it might just default to the fallback (i.e. BOOTX64) It’ll be under the boot device order section.
(Not my picture, stole it from Reddit)Here it’s listing all the possible boot options this mobo can find, but there’s a generic “UEFI OS” option which I’d bet is the fallback. And once a choice is made it’s kept unless something resets it, so if it just happened to be set to the fallback once it’ll stick with that until a change is forced.
There WAS something weird that had a UEFI word in it, but choosing it shows nothing. I’d go over all the menu choices I see one by one and none of them takes me to windows. It was very annoying, all good now since I separated them. Next time this happens I’ll just ask on the Linux community. Hopefully you’ll pop up there and help. 😅
Ahhh, so that’s why I’ve never had any issues with my linux first windows 10 second setup.
I have genuinely never had this issue while dual booting and I’m very confused as to why
Maybe I’m fucking cursed. I did absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. Installed Linux on a drive. Installed windows on another. Set the boot sequence in the BIOS to Linux. Installed osprober and ran it. The only different thing I have is the windows iso I use is stripped down using Chris Titus’ windows debloat script, and that one shouldn’t mess with anything as far as I know. It only debloats windows.
Tbh I think I’m just lucky because this seems like a really common issue
Don’t jynx it. Lmao
oh good to hear. I heard about windows doing jank stuff on update recently and was really worried I’d have to fight with it soon.
sometimes you do, sometimes you don’t. Different updates will break different things for different machines. Some people are blessed by Bill Gates himself, and never have to re-fix their shit. Others are cursed and have to fix random shit unrelated to the update every fucking update.
I can’t prove it, but I think microsoft does this on purpose so that some people will enthusiastically share their positive experiences with windows while everyone else gets shat on.
As long as you do what I mentioned in my comment, you’ll mostly be fine. Worst thing that could happen is a windows feature update resetting the boot sequence to itself only. It’s been a breeze.
Always keep a backup of your boot partition, when dual booting with windows. I wouldn’t encourage a windows boot though
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“Excuse me…sir? This is a Wendy’s.”
It’s funny because it’s true.
The best way to quit Windows is cold-turkey.
Fucking goddamn I’d love to have a replacement to fusion 360 so I never had to touch windows again. FreeCAD is just awful, I keep coming back to it and keeping finding new issues with it. OpenSCAD is cool and useful for simple stuff, but it is not performant in the slightest and the lack of ability to fillet or chamfer edges is insane. Blender is great for 3d modeling but doesn’t work well for engineering modeling.
If you dont want to run a vm you could still try installing what you need with Wine or Lutris, etc. One day we will have great software for all niches but youre right we aint there yet lol
Fusion doesn’t work well with these and has only gotten worse over time.
There are some install scripts on github, but the end result is buggy to the point of being unusable.Really unfortunate because there is no free/affordable* alternative to Fusion without large caveats.
I wasn’t able to get those scripts working at all
Onshape seems to be a good CAD program that runs in the browser
Worth a try. Highly capable. It’s my default.
Ooooo, somehow haven’t heard of it! Looks really good, thanks!
These are the moments you live for.
Hell yeah. FreeCAD is awful. I use NX for work, and will do my personal stuff on there as well. It’s all just for me, I dont sell anything. But I would still love to use my own PC for it. FreeCAD is absolutely unusable.
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??? I run fedora
Presumptuous much? Why do you have to be so hostile
Or never let Windows touch anything. There are alternatives. Treat Windows like the virus it is.
I have dual boot for long time already. Win 11 + Ubuntu. Although there was no any critical issues so far, except some mess up with internet connection on my ubuntu few times.
Any advice for a Steam Deck user that dual boots windows to access games I’ve paid for but otherwise can’t play anymore on Steam Deck?
Surprised no one answered yet… I don’t have a steam deck, so I don’t know much about it. Are those games from the windows store? If not, you could try to get them working on linux with Lutris (or something similar). Generally I wouldn’t encourage buying DRM-free versions of games if possible (I know sadly that’s not an option for every game)
I’m glad I’ve always kept Windows on a separate disk.
Mine still got fucked.
Don’t partition records on one disk affect multiple disks?
Not if they are on the (encrypted at that) Linux disc & uefi boots to that drive.
I think that would be unknown to a lot of people expecting to dual boot as a transition step away from Windows.
Oh, def, that’s why MS is doing shit like that (for a decade now).
I’ve def helped friends out with this issue before.
On laptop?
Yep. Depends on your exact laptop if there’s space for a second drive. On my old 2011 MacBook pro I uninstalled the CD drive and installed a second SSD. Well, upgrading the HDD to SSD in the first place… THEN a second SSD
I’m sure laptops with only 1 NVMe slot exist, but you can just not buy them
Also on laptop, yeah - I only ever had one laptop in my life (a Gemini Celeron for like 300 monies), but it has two drives (both sata iirc).
(I only need it to remote to my servers & maybe some web browsing.)I assume this isn’t usual?
For any modern laptops, it is very rare to find one with dual SSD. I guess for your case it is different, my old 2012 Thinkpad can take dual drive too but it is slow.
Yes, most laptops only have one drive. One with two SSDs is very rare, especially in the low end market.
The only real time it wasn’t rare is during the SSD introduction. Laptops would have a small SSD(because expensive) and larger normal HDD.
I know this one weird trick to avoid this…
Literally the only boot drive issue I’ve ever had dual booting was when I somehow accidentally deleted the GRUB partition (I’m still not entirely sure how)
Grub lives on the drive with Linux, windows on an extra one, select which I wanna use on boot. Windows just updated like yesterday, rebooted right to GRUB no issue
User reports having lost his GRUB partition mysteriously
User says not to worry about Windows randomly removing GRUB partitions through Windows Updates
It was me, I know that, and I know I did it while in Linux, too, I just did like 50 things at once and about 20 of them could be responsible
Easily solved. Just run mkfs_ext4 on the windows partition, and mount it as an additional filesystem.
What the heck is the origin of this meme template? And am I the only one who thought this was Roger Stone?
It’s a spinnoff of the dancing prince Charles meme.
