I’m getting really tired of trying to run away from big tech, only to be ensnared again by the greed and/or naivety of sites who ultimately cave to the whims of big tech.
Mastodon has already caved, and the silence of lemmy’s and kbin’s developers over this matter isn’t exactly reassuring. Since I more or less still have my bags packed from leaving reddit, what are some other communities I could try that would be more resilient to corporate encroachment?
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So Meta’s plan is to make a twitter-alike that spies on its users and manipulates them into being the hate fueled engagement engine, and then inflict that on the fediverse?
What’s to stop everyone from pointing out as often as possible that users can still talk to Zuck’s twits without the spying and manipulation by simply doing so from a non-Meta instance, and then defederating Meta once they are no longer dominant?
Am I just misunderstanding this?
What’s to stop everyone from pointing out as often as possible that users can still talk to Zuck’s twits without the spying and manipulation by simply doing so from a non-Meta instance
Facebook users are stupid, network effects ensure that most people go to a single provider and then minor incompatibilities between threads and the fediverse slowly cuts off the fediverse and ensures it dies.
What does “dies” mean in this circumstance? We already only have 1% of their users. Are we afraid that access toore content here will cause users to leave for Facebook?
Dies means activity slows to the point that the site isn’t worth using. It’s not dead right now for example. I have people to talk to.
Or worse, Facebook forks activitypub and then once most domains are on the forked version they kill it. Or make it part of their walled garden.
Threads is just a bad ActivityPub client with ads, tracking and Zuck. I am less worried about it and the federation with it because we will get non of that, no ads, no tracking and we can block Zuck. I am more worried about a general flood of typical instagram users and their love for the most blandest of human interaction.
Ultimately, the important thing is that communities can exist with some amount of independence and can operate by their own preferences.
Sometimes I want serious intellectual conversations. Sometimes I want to talk about trashy reality TV. Sometimes I just want the dumbest memes to ever enter a human mind. None of these have to be mutually exclusive, so long as different communities can manage themselves.
No no, I am not talking about people who enjoy talking about trashy reality tv.
I talk about people who’s main focus in life is posting presumably good looking pictures of their face and body on instagram. Or people whos main focus is to look wealthy on instagram. Like the absolute peak of human blandness.
I am glad the instance of Mastodon I use will defederate from meta.
The two biggest instances at the moment as far as I know is kbin social and lemmy world if one allows meta I will just use the other one. Though I recommend any instance that has signed the anti meta pact.
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Owners of an instance can do whatever they want. That’s the whole point of the fediverse. If you don’t like it, then change to an instance that does what you like or create your own. It’s that simple.
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in this case we don’t talk about users who want to block users of another instance. The problem is not the users of meta. The problem is meta itself and all the problems it will bring to the federated network. Whoever cannot see that their intentions are not to promote federated networks but to exploit and extinguish them, is just naive.
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it depends what you consider as consequence. For me, setting up a clear boundary between what is now known as fediverse and whatever it is this that meta will create is not consequence but choice.
Yeah, it seems like their idea of consequences is the fediverse not becoming mainstream. But, the draw of the fediverse to me is that it can be an anti corporate space where power is more in the hands of individuals than corporations. A huge community of millions like Facebook or Reddit isn’t the reason I’m here. Seems like centralization is what they really want, which doesn’t need the fediverse to begin with.
Users can de-federate client side already
Factually untrue
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You can stop your comments from being sent to specific instances? Client-side filters just hide incoming traffic but AP is still doing its own thing in the background afaik, but do correct me if I’m wrong. At least I couldn’t find anything to suggest otherwise, and client-side does kinda imply that it’s just a visual alteration on the client’s side.
But I was mostly talking about kbin/lemmy, sorry about that. I dont have that much experience with mastodon yet.
It’s true in Kbin in the sense that you can block instances as a user preference. You can also block any other domain as well, which means what a post links to. Theoretically you can block Facebook itself, Instagram, Imgur, etc.
Blocking a domain through kbin only blocks threads from appearing on your feed. You still see users from that domain and their comments, and they see you and anything you post since it gets sent to their server. It is also a feature only available on kbin so tough luck for lemmies.
