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  • You suggested them to read Nietzsche and from it you got he mourns the decline of religion through all of his works? Maybe you should also get a re-read.

    The decline of religion is stated as a fact, killed by men’s rationality and evolution. As any evolution it has opportunities and risks, in this case the bigger risk is the loss of morality.

    But the only thing he clearly advocates for is overcoming religion and God because they are not needed anymore. The new Man should make its own meaning and rules.

    It’s the whole concept of the übermensch which is the single central point of his all system.

    The quote is not supposed to be his opinion (not directly at least), it’s a character in a story.

    It’s like taking the stance of Cephalus in the Plato’s Republic and say it’s Plato’s opinion, while it’s clearly just a tool to let Socrates speak.




  • Yeah, but the admin clarified in some replies that the moderation problems and possibility of receiving ads are already enough to choose to defederate. They didn’t give the absolute certainty but basically made their intentions clear.

    But I agree with you, most people wanted to get a clear message against it and not just a “if that happens we will very likely defederate”.

    I still think both approaches are fine, it’s good to decide by ethics and it’s good to wait and decide by rationality too. No wrong choices, it’s just a matter of preference


  • They explained the situation very well, and it’s not exactly as you described it.

    Thread is outside the fediverse now, so there is literally nothing to defederate.

    And they already basically admitted that in case of threads federating, they would defederate.

    It was one of the few instances (if not the only one) to put down exactly what practical problems federating would cause instead of simply taking an ethical stance or regurgitating the usual nonsense EEE argument.

    But people wanted an immediate, strong and ethical stance (which is also understandable), so they didn’t like the wait and they didn’t care about an objective analysis of pro and cons



  • The problem is that this doesn’t change the outcome.

    To use your example, if we federate people will join the meta instance, if we don’t federate people won’t even know the lemmy.world instance exists, and even if they do they would still join the meta one if it’s bigger.

    I totally agree with the sentiment, but I yet have to understand how not federating can change the outcome

    The only way smaller instances can thrive and make a strong federation is by making the average person start to care more about privacy.

    But you can’t do that if you can’t reach them in the first place



  • Can somebody explain me exactly how defederating them would give us a different outcome?

    I’m genuinely curious.

    Meta couldn’t give less fucks about 100k users on lemmy, they are targeting people that isn’t and will never use nor understand what the fediverse is.

    You keep them out, good. They don’t care, they just want to fill their own bucket with stuff that is outside anyway

    Twitter people going to threads is completely independent from anything in the fediverse. Those people won’t even notice any difference if they are federated or not.

    They are in for the brand and the fomo, not the content