Can someone do me? 😄 I am super curious

I am not sure. I don’t think we should punish someone that acted in good faith.

There is a possibility (not likely) of someone not learning about the holocaust by the age of 15. In Norway you can be punished from that age and up. Maybe the person had nutjobs for parents etc. I think I learned about it at 13-14. There is a lot about it in the Norwegian curriculum, so you have to really be unlucky to not learn anything about it.

Anyways, it is ethically wrong to punish a person that was unfortunate and did not get a proper education and parenting. How to handle those cases is difficult though. Holocaust is a pretty obvious case of something EVERYONE is exposed to a lot. There are however lots of other historical facts that a person might not know. Is thst fair to punish someone for?

Disinformation is spreading misinformation on purpose, knowing that it is incorrect.

Spreading misinformation should (in my opinion) not be illegal in itself, people should in many cases be given the benefit of the doubt. It might be ignorance.

A judge/jury should decide if it is done knowingly.

First off, I am a bit torn here, but will take the opposing side for arguments sake.

This is not an opinion. The holocaust happened, that makes it a fact.

I get your point, but should disinformation (as in deliberate misinformation) be allowed? How much harm should we accept from people spreading disinformation before we do something? The harm here being antisemitism.

Antisemitism is growing because people do not differentiate Israel and Jewish people. Many jews report that they do not feel safe in otherwise safe countries.

This is a hard question. Not sure what I think… Might be side effects that are hard to foresee

I think it is simply because people are afraid and are doing their best at coping. This results in seeking validation and support. It has been a lot worse since Trump got into office.

He is forcing everyone to pay attention all the time. One insane action after another. One goal post after another. Many things are relevant to the communities in some way. Many feel the need to fight back within their community.

Maybe even breaking sanctions and supporting terrorists

While this is probably not for me. I appreciate the diversity and creativity of humans.

This is incredibly important. Signal is considered the “gold standard” of encrypted and private communication for a reason.

Some photographer took a picture of a politician in the Trump admin using a Signal clone. That signal clone allowed the user to archive chats to a third party.

Interesting, thanks for sharing

I love how you can just ask this question on Lemmy, and people give great replies. I do it often, and learn so much.

Upvoted.

I have a counterpoint to those claiming that paid are better. By using a privacy oriented search engine, then they don’t know exactly who you are. In theory just your IP. Maybe fingerprinting.

When paying they know exactly who you are. You have to trust them.

So in one case you can protect yourself, in the other you have to trust them.

Also, Kagi also uses the Russian index Yandex 😑

You ok?

Oh, I must have explained wrong.

Yes, everywhere is legally required to accept it still. But the usage is really low, and there has been talks of removing the requirements of accepting cash.

I would think a lot of countries are tackling a lot of emergency scenarios at the moment.

Increasing defence, digital sovereignty, robust power grid, basically just preparing for bad shit

Cash will change to a digital form or disappear, I don’t agree with the people claiming it wont’t.

Scandinavia is so close already, recieving cash is considered bothersome. No one uses it for anything anymore. Well… Besides drugs.

Both electricity and the internet is critical infrastructure. Any downtime of either is really serious. It is however not rocket science to solve the biggest issues in regards to payments. As long as people can show their identity we can agree on tiny loans for stuff. Or just having the government bail out all verified purchases after the fact.

100$ per person isn’t that much money. Any bigger purchases can be handled with invoices.

So I am more worried about heating in the winter and access to water and sanitation.

It was probably the best case scenario. This happening outside of winter or a war was pretty lucky.

Now they get to learn and improve.

While I agree in theory, in practice open source has a similar amount of expected trust as closed source can have in many cases. I use all sorts of open source software without reading the code. I ain’t got time for that.

I can trust that software from a lot of organizations are trustworthy even if it is closed source, but I can’t trust any open source repo without reading the code. I habe to use other ways to evaluate it, is it probable that someone has audited it? Is it popular? Is it recognized as safe and trustworthy? Is the published and finished build the same as the one I would get if I built it myself?

But yes, you can never be 100% certain without open source and auditing it yourself.

I do trust that my travel pass app from a government organization doesn’t install malware / spyware on my phone. I can’t trust a random github repo even if it is open source.

We had some emergency law that was almost passed recently. As in it passed the first of two rounds. The second voting round is just a formality, all laws are just passed after the first in practice. Luckily some law professor raised the alarms and it did not pass the second time. So within a couple of hours margin it was stopped.

The law gave the government the ability to force people to do a lot of stuff, work any job at any place in Norway. If you do not comply you could get up to three years in prison. It would not be a problem with the current or any government in the near future, but it is a law. And we can’t have laws that rely on trusting politicians. Because we might have politicians with anti democratic tendencies in the future

I think certain arguments work, and certain don’t.

I live in a very high trust society, Norway. This has a lot of advantages, but also some downsides.

We trust eachother, our neighbours, our government and our media. Which is fantastic, and well deserved. The government deserves the trust.

This makes it hard for me to make people realize how important privacy is, because they trust organizations with their data.

During COVID, Norway made their own app for tracking who met to prevent the spread. Of all the apps in the world, Norway wanted to push about the least privacy friendly app in the world. This from a country with the highest press freedom and rankings for democracy. Most people though it was fine, because why not? We trust our government.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/06/norway-covid19-contact-tracing-app-privacy-win/

Luckily someone protested enough, and it got scrapped for something better.

When I try to convince someone I have a couple of angles:

1. You trust the government and organizations with your data today. But do you trust the government in 30 years? Because data is forever. The US has changed a lot in a very short time, this can happen here as well

2. You have a responsibility for other peoples privacy as well. When you use an app that gets access to all your SMSes and contacts you spy on behalf of companies on people that might need protection. Asylum seekers from other countries for instance.