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How other people chose to use the scripture is not within my control. I just wanted to point out the context. I also pointed out in my OP that I am a former member of the church.

It’s funny, it is in fact up for debate which texts are divinely inspired as all the major churches have different canonizations around the world. Lots of crossover obviously, but plenty of questions about what should and shouldn’t be in the Bible.

That’s not at all what that person said. Also I may be wrong but I think that person is making a joke.

I didn’t say the book of Timothy was not Divine Inspiration. I said Divine Inspiration is not God taking over the body of a man to write his thoughts down for us. Instead, Divine Inspiration is more akin to teaching that have God’s stamp of approval.

If you want an interesting topic to search around though, look into canonization of scripture. Churches all around the world have different books that are regarded as canon and divinely inspired. The Bible is not as straightforward as any church would have you believe.

You’re missing my point entirely and focusing on one sentence. What I’m saying is that these letters were alleged to be intended for Timothy from Paul and when taken in context, provide a good few recommendations on how to conduct a ministry.

This specific passage is not a directive to all churches at all times or even to all women in all places. This passage is specific to the area of Ephesus where culturally, people fuck a lot. It’s what they do and they are proud about it. Timothy was sent there to help a church which had struggled with the cultural sexuality and Paul says more or less “Those people are all horny, let’s not put women in front of them and risk tempting them sexually.” It was not to say “all women should hide away and shut up.” Like it might seem outside of the passages context.

The Torah is just the first 5 books of the old testament.

The verse is meant to be taken, as with all things in literature, in context, to be applied to how to conduct a ministry. This passage is to say that if your ministry is in a place that sexualizes women culturally and that is a distraction for your congregation, do not sexualize women in a way that would distract them from your message. It is applicable to people other than Timothy, but the letter alleges to be written for Timothy in Ephesus originally.

Divine inspiration is not God taking over the body of man to write some words down. Despite what atheist on the internet want you to believe, religious scholars are still scholars and do have quite a high bar for intelligent discussion.

Because the overall letters do actually inform how to run a church in context. I.e. don’t use sex and sex appeal to attract attention for your church.

It is not historical reimagining to explain what the context of this letter is. Timothy was sent to Ephesus to help the church there which was struggling with the people due to the church’s opposing position on several things that were culturally relevant to the Ephesians, like sex, monogamy, and prostitution. Paul, allegedly, wrote the Timothy letters to him at this time with this context in mind.

Ancient Ephesus was known for its cultural sexual deviancy. That’s not particularly in dispute. It’s kinda the whole reason Paul sent Timothy there in the first place. The church there was struggling because of its position on sex and monogamous marriage. That position was in opposition to the culture of sexual deviancy. Timothy was sent to help the church there. Paul, allegedly, wrote the Timothy letters to help guide Timothy.

Much of this is in question for actual historical accuracy, but that’s the proposed reason for the letters to Timothy in the Bible. Even if fictional, that’s the context of the letters.

Knowing the context of this passage is important. This passage is not God speaking to his people, it’s the Apostle Paul telling Timothy how to run a church. It is not the Bible nor God saying women should be silent. Instead it is Paul telling Timothy that they should not preach in Timothy’s ministry.

Some additional historical context, at the time where Timothy was going to minister, many pagan priestesses held gatherings where they would shout and show skin and attracted participants with sex and a show and Paul was telling Timothy that women and sex should not be the thing that draws in people whom he intended to minister too. He suggested they cover up and hide their heads and remain quiet and not be the focus of the moment because he should want to distance himself from what amounts to orgies in the area.

~former member of the church

Don’t want to be the guy to harsh on word choice but come on. In the year 2025 you are using a slur as an adjective? Do better…

I know this is a joke but if you ask for black coffee or unsweet tea, you will get what you are expecting in most cases. They may ask as a courtesy if you want sweeteners or creamers with that because many people wish to sweeten their drinks themselves as they may prefer artificial sweeteners or wish to control their dairy or sugar intake for dietary reasons.

Ohhh you mean that toothbrush.

Well now don’t you feel big on the internet! What a tiny insignificant piece of trash you are. It sounds like you’re probably the one who needs human touch here. I hope you get it one day.

Historically housing as an investment is one of the least risky gambles one can take. They even have a saying, “safe as houses.” People will always need a place to live. Tbh, buying a house is probably safer than government bonds right now.

No I don’t have the time for people who don’t have time for me. Every boomer in my life decided I was lazy, weak, dumb, or worthless before trying to actually take the time to see if that was true. Why should I have spent the time trying to convince them otherwise if they already didn’t care? It’s not like me showing them how wrong they were benefits me whatsoever. Wasted energy that could be better spent improving my life and the lives of people who do care.

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