What reality? Prisons doesnt work. Even just abolishing them without alternatives would be better for solving crime Why prisons get the bulk of the offenders? Light be something wrong with the system then. Just like how tons of people starve to death each day while EU and USA burns food to keep high prices Something happening of not a good reason to continue doing it

These are not really my alternatives, but common solutions where I live. They are usually enforced through the police or in a court system where they base it on stuff like what you have done, what your intensions are, where you are in life, and what you yourself think will help you to not repeat your crimes It is not perfect, parties that pretend to be tuff on criminals are undermining it for cheap votes, and way too many still go to prison. But it is an alternative that works and that rehabilitate people without hurting them I wish we could go the opposite way

Id say: prisons dont work, cost a lot and does huge damage. They also often work as a gateway to heavier crime. I dont need a replacement for that. “Nothing” would still be an improvement. This is the short answer

When that is said, what do we do about crime? Id say that depends, what kind of crime? There are so many different motivations for doing crime, there should be just as many solutions: removing poverty, proper sex education, confiscating the money from the rich, remove the reasons people are doing crime in the first place

We also do a lot of alternatives today: fines, mental hospitals, community service, guidance, conflict counseling, anger management courses, sometimes a serious conversation with the police, childcare help, detox institutions, and a lot more

They have three things in common: they work, they are a lot cheaper and they dont for the same mental damage as torture/prison

And then there are those under 1% og criminals that is totally lost, that need to be locked up. But only until we get a society where they dont get lost…

I only see disagreement here, no trolling. What I do see oss a mod using their mod status to silence people they disagree with This is a great moment to take a minute to reconsider how you are using your mod status to win discussions instead of making a good environment

Why does that matter? I was asking you to explain your line of thinking, and you’re not even trying to answer my question Abolishing the rich is not an attack on democracy, som id like to hear your way of thinking here

Can you please explain your line of thinking here? This person purpose more drastic measures than just taxing, and you jump on them being against democracy. How is democracy = some people being ultra rich?

Like, for me, democracy means people decide how the society is ruled, so Im excited to hear how changing the system to get rid of disparity is the same as abolishing democracy

Ye, I remember him arguing that some tankie was supporting holocaust because the tanke was talking about some stuff that happened in Soviet without talking about the Holocaust (in that movie), then moving on to another movie where he misgendered detransitioned people because, as he said, didnt aknowledge them being cis, and then ending up being against decolonialism because talking about ways to correct the wrong made by colonialism for some reason was white genocide or something like that, and then I stumbled over him arguing for Israel keeping their settlements in Palestine, even if he said the opposite in another video

He never discuss with others, he always misrepresent their viewpoint because he want to fuel his ego by “winning” debates, never actually learning shit from people who knows more than him

Why on earth would you do that?

Yeah, kinda… no one said that. But hey, haters gotta hate

Sure, Id say it is more about representative “democracy” where we vore on who have power versus actually participating in the decisions. Like, do we wanna vote over which representant who are most charismatic, or do we wanna discuss the decisions as a society and decide what decisions to implement?

Id say the vegan person talking about how hard it is to make proper and healthy vegan food for cats understand cats better than a person who want to require consent forms from cats

But ye, what do I know. Im not a cat, nor am I a vegan

Im guessing you want to kill all cats

Im basing my guess on the same as you do - imagination

Ps Im not a vegan

I agree

Right… Im not even from the US. But sure, the labels versus the listening to each others viewpoints arguments 😊

Right… where do you draw the line? You are straw-maning a lot here, as the person sensored wasnt an anti vaxer, religious fundamentalist, opponent of medicine, racist or even promoting denying cats meat without careful consideration

But ye, you’,d probably sensor me too, as Im against racism. Im pro choice. Im against capitalism. Im post colonialist. Im pro trans rights. I’m an intersectional feminost.I think every person no matter skin colour, gender, identity or background should have access to free public health care. Hell, I don’t even want people who got rich parents to get access to superior health care as we as a society should give everyone proper health care

So keep on straw manning, as you probably want to sensor me too

I would not recommend being on a media moderated by the principle of what makes a person popular, of the users should have a say, it should be over the rules and how to interpret them, not over which person er as individuals prefer

Yeah, I was as taken by surprise as you. I guess thats one of the reasons I keep using Lemmy after ditching reddit

Even if you hold that opinion, vegans should be allowed to disagree with us and argue why we are wrong

This is where you and I disagree

This is an endorsement of freedom of speech even if your ideology disagrees

Vegans have their rights to opinions just as you and me. This is not about t vegans vs us, but about how to handle disagreements We never learn if we just sensor everyone we disagree with