Yeah, I mostly just meant in terms of how much I directly relate with the perspectives of the protesters, it seemed at the time of my comment like most of the commenters looked at things somewhat differently to them (which is fine)

I do think you might really be underestimating how deeply addictive tech can be for many people. For people who grew up on platforms like facebook, Instagram, and twitter, and spent enough time there before reflecting on that pattern, those deeply engrained habits can be difficult to shake to the extent of causing not insignificant anxiety

I had social anxiety as a kid (still do) and so used those platforms almost none because they stressed me out (until I joined reddit in highschool), and even I really struggle with some amount of technology addiction I’m working really hard to replace with better patterns.

I pick my phone up and check all the apps for no reason. I feel a bit anxious if my phone isn’t near by. I run out of time in one app I have a time limit set for and immediately jump to another one. I feel a bit stressed when I have to put it down. Not intensely so, but the more I pay attention the more I can tell it’s there and see how it’s molded my behavioral patterns over time.

I have pretty good solutions to those problems, and think I’m making decent progress, but technology absolutely 1000% has warped my life to be about it. With me often serving it rather than it serving me. I can only imagine how difficult it might be for folks who spent lots of time on those platforms, and are less inclined to tinker with their tech and play with open source stuff, and take alternative technological routes

There were kids in it…? Christ :(

I might be one of the few in this thread who really empathizes with the perspectives of the protesters here

I’m not in a position to cut tech out of my life, but for people who are and dont need or depend on it for something important, it may do a lot of harm for little benefit.

But whether there’s important benefit will vary from person to person. I have a very isolating sleep disorder, and the internet allows me a little bit more connection than I would get otherwise. And home automation helps shoulder some of the load of managing environmental variables that impact my sleep. And there are also technological things that bring me joy.

But not everyone is in a position where their only connection to others is through the internet (if you’re queer in a small town, maybe it is, if you’re queer in a big city or you’re straight that probably isn’t an issue)

There are ofcourse benefits to technology, some of which you can better access through FOSS software, or community projects, or self hosting. But not everyone needs those things, and even those things can have harmful downsides. I think the hyper convenience that much of tech provides is not exactly great for us. Even the fediverse platforms can be addicting, can prioritize stuff that makes you angry, etc, because they copy the underlying design of proprietary social media (even without recommendation algorithms). I struggle to manage how much time I spend engaging with these platforms. Not as much as with reddit, but I still do, and am now creating structure around engaging more in moderation.

I don’t love creating e-waste though. I get that it’s symbolic, I still think it’s wasteful and has no meaningful upsides. It feels deeply privileged to not grasp how that could be a lifeline for poor people who need a way to connect, keep up with work, handle digital tasks like banking and telemedicine, etc, and to smash it on the ground instead of donating it to someone who couldn’t afford a reliable device.

Joy in solidarity and resistance is so important, it gives us the energy to keep fighting and encourages more people to get involved more than preaching importance ever could

There was an article a while back that talked about how humor was key to the rejection of fascism and that was a huge part of why

Interesting, I think I follow all of that. Thank you very much for explaining

Gotcha, thank you very much for filling me in, I really appreciate it!

I do think there’s value in ensuring everything low level is open source, but at least with linux phones none of the higher level stuff is really in a good state yet 😅

Its nice to hear this will be an improvement to custom ROMs. Though the future of custom ROMs is feeling a little shaky with the stuff Google has announcing lately 🥲

Nice!! Thank you for filling me in, I appreciate it ☺️

Weird…

Yeah, short form content isn’t really my cup of tea either. I’m glad it exists though :)

I think someone told me in another thread a while back discussing loops that at the time it was only like certain libraries and whatnot? I wasn’t sure if that was still the case, or if that person was right, or what 🤷‍♂️

I’m not an especially technical person so I don’t really remember details though 😅

Is this just an effort to replace binary blobs, or to actually support usable Linux phones or custom roms…? Are those kinda the same thing in this case?

If it’s the latter this might be the first thing the FSF is actually doing during my time with foss that I’m excited about.

If it’s just that they hate binary blobs, that’s great and all but I do kinda wish they’d focus on stuff that has a way bigger user impact 😅 I think they got really hung up on binary blobs with libreboot or whatever it was also

I think pretty much everyone who replied regarding terms and conditions seems to have potentially misunderstood what I meat, which leads me to believe I may have communicated poorly. My point is that early news coverage didn’t mention independent apps needing to follow Google terms and conditions.

That’s not just a privacy issue for devs, that’s an issue of Google wanting control over what the apps and actually do, and it changes how severe of a problem this is. I’ve also learned since then that this may mean only the devs can distribute apps(?), which would potentially kill f-droid outside of custom roms (I still don’t fully understand that part but that idea was also not in early coverage)

I think pretty much everyone who replied regarding terms and conditions seems to have potentially misunderstood what I meat, which leads me to believe I may have communicated poorly. My point is that early news coverage didn’t mention independent apps needing to follow Google terms and conditions.

That’s not just a privacy issue for devs, that’s an issue of Google wanting control over what the apps and actually do, and it changes how severe of a problem this is. I’ve also learned since then that this may mean only the devs can distribute apps(?), which would potentially kill f-droid outside of custom roms (I still don’t fully understand that part but that idea was also not in early coverage)

I think pretty much everyone who replied regarding terms and conditions misunderstood what I meat, which leads me to believe I may have communicated poorly. My point is that early news coverage didn’t mention independent apps needing to follow Google terms and conditions.

That’s not just a privacy issue for devs, that’s an issue of Google wanting control over what the apps and actually do, and it changes how severe of a problem this is. I’ve also learned since then that this may mean only the devs can distribute apps(?), which would potentially kill f-droid outside of custom roms (I still don’t fully understand that part but that idea was also not in early coverage)

I wish more people focused a bit more on the need to agree to terms and conditions, I didn’t know that was a part of this issue and that massively increases the negative impact of this potential policy change

Google’s terms and conditions are consistently draconian and stupid. Especially if it’s the same terms and conditions applied to the play store, where apps constantly get pulled and devs are always frustrated as hell

Edit: I think pretty much everyone who replied regarding terms and conditions misunderstood what I meat, which leads me to believe I may have communicated poorly. My point is that early news coverage didn’t mention independent apps needing to follow Google terms and conditions.

That’s not just a privacy issue for devs, that’s an issue of Google wanting control over what the apps and actually do, and it changes how severe of a problem this is. I’ve also learned since then that this may mean only the devs can distribute apps(?), which would potentially kill f-droid outside of custom roms (I still don’t fully understand that part but that idea was also not in early coverage)

Thanks for making a comm! I’d love to see the update videos regularly on my lemmy feed!

Forgejo is an activitypub-enabled Git forge software, and codeberg is one of the largest forgejo instances.

Thank you for this explainer, that’s cool as fuck!

Just remember, people will be more open to trying the stuff you’re into if you’re compassionate about the things they’re frustrated with!

(This is intended for anyone who wants friends or acquaintances to try the fediverse platforms. For those who don’t or don’t care that’s perfectly valid too :)

Yeah as much as I don’t love proton as a company this feels wildly misleading…

OSM is just pronounced open street map or as an acronym- O.S.M.

The tilde isn’t from OSM, it’s from OsmAnd (the navigation app), and I thing it’s used to communicate whether you’re running the version from f-droid, or the play store version? I agree that’s confusing and makes for an awkward name though