The worry about EEE is actually not my primary concern at the moment. And it’s not data collection either, though I hate what Meta is doing there.

I’m not interested in Threads “content” on my front page here. And boy will it ever be all over the “All” page thanks to Threads users outnumbering all of the Fediverse by many magnitudes. The poor algorithm is not going to show you any new Lemmy content anymore with all the engagement Threads posts is going to get.

Then there are the comments in communities here. If you’ve felt happy that this community has better atmosphere and discussions than the dreg you’d be served on Reddit, just wait until we open the door for hundreds of millions of Facebook commenters.

I love the community that is building on Lemmy. If I wanted to participate in the community on Meta I’d be on Instagram or Facebook or Threads.

But I don’t. That’s why I’m here.

There is also [email protected]. And lemmyverse.net/communities as mentioned above.

You’re right. Going down through the levels of “okay, and why?” works on a theoretical level but requires both the person asking the right why-question and a level of intellectual honesty from both parties that is incredibly hard to find.

It’s not a bad approach for questioning your own beliefs though, if you can muster the strength to be honest with yourself.

Oh that makes sense, thank you for going above and beyond!

Is it worth contacting Ernest about implementing your fix for the main Kbin code for better compatibility or are most Lemmy instances likely to fix the issue so soon it’s not worth bothering him?

Thanks for testing for me. Very very strange. Must be specific to kbin.social? I’ll try to make an account on your instance tomorrow and check if it works from there.

This is a non sequiter argument. It does not necessarily follow that good content comes from a large userbase. In fact, both of those things are rarely true at the same time. points vaguely at social media

I was coming at it from the perspective of an ex-Reddit user. The main appeal of that site to me was (is?) the size of the userbase and the fact it meant you had access to literally any type of person at your fingertips. Every niche interest was represented, there were people of all ages and walks of life and you could find help or others in the same boat no matter what tech issue you faced or rare ailment you contracted. This type of “content” if you can call it that is only available once the population reaches a certain critical mass. Smaller communities are of course more conducive to civil discussion, high-effort posting and actual conversations, but looking at the popularity of that social media you’re gesturing towards I’m not sure that’s what the majority of people are even after.

It’s not that I want to attract Facebook users to Lemmy, it’s more that Threads as an alternative could well siphon other users who might have otherwise come over here, ending up preventing this site from reaching critical mass. Then again, maybe this particular fear is overexaggerated right now since - as you say - Threads is competing with Twitter and not Reddit/Lemmy.

I find the kind of stuff posted on Insta to be vapid enough or sufficiently commercial that I feel no need to interact with it. I probably still wouldn’t interact with it even if it happens to show up here.

I think the problem is twofold here really. First is the All feed, which by function of how the engagement algorithm works would instantly get flooded with content from Threads if they end up federated, drowning out the content from here. It would not be a matter of deciding not to engage with the post from Threads and keeping scrolling. You wouldn’t browse Lemmy anymore, it would just be Threads and Meta all the way down.

Second is the comment sections to any discussion even on communities here would likely get flooded with Facebook comments. By sheer volume of users they have already too many of them would find their way here. And it is again not exactly the type of - let’s call it “discourse” - I’m chomping at the bit to partake in.

More likely, the play now is to capitalize on the discontent and missteps over at Twitter, and capture the folks over there who are leaving¹.

I think you’re absolutely right and I think if Zuckerberg even knows what “Lemmy” is then it’s because somebody mentioned it in passing when briefing him about ActivityPub. It’s clear trying to usurp Twitter has been planned for a long time and you can understand why. If Lemmy was involved in the thought process at all, it would only be as inspiration for how Threads could in the future be connected to yet another new platform which in that case would outcompete Reddit, which is a site I’m sure Zuckerberg would very much like to usurp as well.

I do, however, think corporate engagement here IS valuable. In the same way that social media teams at your favorite retail brands engage on the Big Socials, I would also welcome their engagement here as well because its another avenue to interact with the brand as a potential, current or disgruntled customer.

But social media teams at your favorite brands don’t connect on social media in order to contact disgruntled customers or discuss consumer concerns, they do it because it’s great, cheap advertising. RyanAir doesn’t use twitter to ask customers if the uncomfortable seats injured their backs, they make funny tweets because they believe it will sell more cheap plane tickets.

Hell, even if the social media admin appears to be discussing actual issues with consumers I doubt those issues would go anywhere afterwards. The big brands aren’t interested in consumer concerns but they probably wouldn’t mind looking like they are since that would make people more sympathetic towards them and more likely to chose their product.

Make popcorn and watch the theater. I just read Twitter is suing Meta already, so you know this is gonna be fun!

Can we arrange for a cage to be built in the courtroom and schedule it so Zuck and Elon give their testimonies in between the rounds of beating the shit out of each other?

Very very strange. What did you put in the search bar? Exactly “[email protected]”? And can you see the user [email protected]?

In this case I was looking for the instance feddit.nu since I was trying to sync up subscriptions on the accounts I have. Try [email protected]. Previously I tried [email protected] and it still doesn’t show up no matter what I search for in the top-right magnifying glass next to the username but it has finally appeared in the magazine list now.

I’m still not seeing it in neither search box. Strange. There also seems to be federation issues with some instances still. I only noticed it because PoppinKREAM migrated to Lemmy (sh.itjust.works instance) but I can’t see any of their comments, posts or user profile on Kbin.social and it’s been a week.

I think the way people interact with microblogs versus comments and posts on a link aggregator are fundamentally different enough that I’m not sure trying to unite them under the same terminology is a great idea. Boost acting like a retweet for the people who follow you is not a bad idea though if that’s how it works, just name it something other than boost so people understand it’s purpose.

And calling single-image memes in a shitpost sub “Articles” in a “Magazine” will never not be bizarre to me.

I’ve noticed federation with Lemmy seems much quicker after updates to both so that’s a huge step forward. And I fully understand it’s beta software, it was essentially on the stage of just Ernest and his friends using it to test things and suddenly it has 50k users. It’s a miracle it survived at all.

My biggest issue right now is the difficulty finding communities in remote instances. Searching for [email protected] doesn’t work and I’ve heard you’re supposed to paste the entire web adress but that doesn’t seem to work either. Puzzling since it’s so simple on Lemmy.

And while I like the front end the terminology makes no sense to me. I know it’s less important than the backend and whatnot but Magazine, Article, Boost, Favourite, Reduce… They all sound extremely unintuitive to me for what they are: communities with threads you up/downvote. And whatever Boost does. Especially since the microblogging integration means pressing “new post” doesn’t do what you think it does. And trying to pluralize Reduce ends up sounding incredibly awkward since it’s a verb and not a noun. What do you call downvotes? Reductions? Reduces?

Public transport is the real killer for me. It seems bizarre to me now that there was a time I could stand on a bus or train and comfortably just hold the support handrail with a bare hand and not wash it afterwards or anything. These days I avoid them at all costs and still gotta carry disinfectant for mental health purposes.

I like the client-side interface and really appreciate the ability to follow users but Kbin seems to have some backend issues still. Remember that Kbin is at an extremely early stage of development and really wasn’t ready for mass adoption (it’s a couple of months old!)

Oh god the lingering germophobia as a result of the pandemic shining a massive spotlight on surface contamination and spread vectors has completely ruined me.

Lemmy.ml has c/Community_Requests and I think it’s about time we had that on .world too.

I tend to agree, though it should be noted that the public access to vote information is part of the current backend and Kbins frontend just makes it available for everyone to see. WefWef for example also shows your point totals (“karma”) on Lemmy and I’m sure many other 3rd party apps will too.

Someone raised this issue on the Lemmy GitHub today but it’s unclear what stance the Devs will take.

My first thought was AstroTurf too but honestly Lemmy is still small enough that I wonder if Meta even cares enough for it to pay for astroturfing here. They got more signups in a couple of hours than Lemmy got users in three years, and by several magnitudes even. Plus it’s an inherently hostile demographic for them. They’re better off investing in positive posting on Reddit, which I’m sure is what they’re already doing.

They’ll kill it by having the largest userbase, and therefore the most and best content, and then finally defederating and forcing everyone to join Threads. At least that’s what they’ll most likely attempt to do. It remains to be seen whether they’ll be successful. The EEE approach has been used before and is well documented. Read more on Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

One advantage lemmy.world has which led to many people recommending it early on is that Ruud is an experienced Fediverse admin (here is a summary of all his servers: https://lemmy.world/post/6441). This meant it was easy to suggest to early Reddit refugees since he’s proven competent and reliable so it soothed fears of instances having poor uptime or getting abandoned and helped ease the transition.

While you’re not wrong per se, having a massive instance like .world has enabled some much needed stress testing of the Lemmy backend in a way that really hasn’t been possible before, which will help the Devs find optimizations and improvements that will facilitate future growth overall on all instances. The recent memory leak that was discovered is a great example of it.

Really testing the limits of scalability is important for the overall future of Lemmy. Doing it on a server whose admin already runs a large mastodon server and has proven to be trustworthy and reliable is not a bad thing so long as donations can keep up with server costs.

Finally, gathering on .world makes it easy for Reddit refugees to transition, which is actually valuable in reaching critical mass on Lemmy, though maybe that first big wave of people has passed already.

Keep tabs on [email protected] as well if you’re not already subscribed to it.