IIRC, this was posted earlier today on the lemmy.ml instance, and very, very quickly deleted by a mod.
…Which undermines the central claim.
They didn’t want anyone getting any funny ideas about tankies. Like that they weren’t braindead, authoritarian boot lickers.
Dude, those cowards over there will remove and ban people just for being liberal. No joke. It’s in the mod logs. Those clowns even put it as the ban reason.
And yet, the minions that flock to those shitholes come to these communities and and whine about bias and how they’re treated unfairly.
Sounds like typical conservatives…so…
Hey, if tankies were gonna vote for Biden to thwart trump, we wouldn’t have a problem. It’s that most that I’ve seen explicitly say they won’t. And they advocate that people shouldn’t. So - i don’t get it.
Youre right .If you vote for genocide, dont call yourself a communist. This meme is pure BS
Communism isn’t about identity and moral superiority. It is about making strategic decisions that enable the ultimate revolution of the working class to do away with capitalism, that includes tactical, cynical decisions at times. Some communists tried to do the whole “never voting on principle” or “only voting for the perfect fringe candidate” bit already, so we know how that turns out - sectarianism removed from class, and underestimating the enemy. Think of how some communists thought if Hitler got elected, Germany would finally have a revolution - turns out, no, it just led to the last bit of the mask of humanity to fall off capital and them being killed in the most brutal fashion. That mask of humanity may be a lie and indeed just a mask, but it has real effects, and the inhumanity can always get worse.
The big project in these times of reactionary drift globally is to build as much organised proletarian power as is possible - catch and organise those that fall from the middle class, learn how to use guns and fly drones, learn how to coordinate as a movement, learn how to support each other in day-to-day life, gain some class consciousness. While those that lack consciousness and still hold dreams of escaping their proletarisation within capitalism enable fascism, as long as they can cling to the ideological dream of the wealth of the past without realising the very system that enabled the old wealth already had the crises of today within it.
Thinking its the same to organise all that under a senile proto-fascist like Biden compared to a full-blown fascist like Trump and his allies is genuinely foolish. It reads like an utopian socialist dream about moral fortitude and self-serving identity instead of trying everything that can materially advance the working class and its consciousness.
Im not even sure what was your point. Just want to say that biden is not a proto fascist, he is a fascist. And trump is another. To think theres much difference between them is the same of thinking theres difference between the shit a dog did today and the one he did yesterday
Have you ever owned a dog? Their shits can be quite different in their nastiness from day to day. Your definition of fascism seems also to be lacking and reductive, thinking an out-of-their-time neolib like Biden puts out the same kind of repression on the working class as someone like Trump (Or Franco, Pinochet, Mussolini, Hitler) and the outlines in Project 2025 will.
Things will only get worse over the next few decades, we are currently still in a phase where the privileges of welfare state capitalism break away globally, leading to proper proletarisation of the population in the advanced capitalist, imperialist nations. That induces reactionary movements politically, and every year we can buy ourselves to organise and spread class consciousness before the violent repression is turned up to 11 is valuable.
Add the climate catastrophe on the top of capitalist decay, and things will get really, really ugly in the coming decades. If the communist movement isn’t properly organised as soon as possible, there is no guarantee that can be transformed into ultimately an opportunity for change.
Their shits can be quite different in their nastiness from day to day.
Would you eat any of them? Is this one less smelly than the other enought for you to eat it?
If the communist movement isn’t properly organised as soon as possible
Good starting point: reject that genocide joe is an alternative to trump. As long as you belive the democratic-republican system is all you have, you are doomed
Ok I’ll bite. What would you have people do instead and how do you think that would go if they did?
Im not the one to decide this. Its up to a party to elaborate the decision. As far as i can see, you should have a candidate that represents working people as a class. Its this interest that should be in the center of any left wing politician. And no, identitarism is not the intesrest of the working class. That being said, no man of the system will ever represent the working class, you need an authentic option. And yes, it means a communist option inevitably, but thats another discussion (why any other political position will be insufficient in the long run). But to even think about this is absurd to most usamericans
No shit, Sherlock.
But what are you going to specifically do come November? What specific outcome do you see if others don’t vote for Biden because he doesn’t pass your purity test? Do you see this outcome being good for the country, good for workers, or good for marginalized peoples?
You just called doing a genocide “not passing a purity test” ffs i dont need to talk to you
And you just said “doing a genocide.” If it helps, the only people that think that’s edgy are other people just like you.
And that isn’t a compliment.
Sorry if i dont express myself so well in my third language. If you think the phrasing is the important part, id suggest you talk to a baby or something, not to me
You’re right which is why we should not vote and let the current genocide continue and add several more to the list when trump gets elected. Genocide for everyone!
Lesser evil always ends well
But communists are notoriously genocidal
The only thing communist want to Genocide is inequality.
Holodomor is a real thing that happened and was as wrong as everyone thinks. You will never undo that
Well, the one to the right (probably) isn’t a tankie though, but I approve their actions
Yet I get called Tankie all the time … interesting.
See that makes it sound like you’re getting called out on much more anti-voting sounding commentary than the above stated point of view
An image that isn’t helped by the fact that the post makes it seem that you are completely oblivious to how often tankies try to start fights defending the choice to abandon the most vulnerable for the sake of some bougie kid socialism accelerationist shit.
I never advocate anti-voting rhetoric, but think any and all means should be used to defend a socialist revolution once it has occurred. The only thing i want ro accelerate is class conciousness, which must be achieved before a revolution can begin to occur, most humans are too brainwashed by Capitalist propaganda for that revolution to be successful.
but think any and all means should be used to defend a socialist revolution once it has occurred.
You would kill and imprison those that would vote differently or disagree with your revolution? That’s exactly why all those revolutions in Russia, China, N Korea etc failed. As someone who Trends anarcho communist I am down for some communism. But you Marxist leninists never learn.
Lmao the Revolution in China didnt fail.
They aren’t socialist anymore. And they aren’t communist now either. They’re state capitalist. That seems to be a solid failure. Even the party isn’t holding regular elections for many of the posts. Xi jinping has moved back into the Forbidden City and is basically their de facto new emperor. Enriching his bourgeoisie friends. While throwing miniscule amounts of scrap towards the proletariat. Sounds pretty failed to me. And likely to lead to heavy class strife soon since they failed the class war. But please do go ahead and continue to flail and cope uselessly.
It’s extremely telling that that was what and how you chose to respond. Not addressing the fact that you would kill and slaughter everyone who disagrees with you.
Bruh i literally identify as a tankie im not naive enough to think we can vote away the oppression of the ruling class lmao
As a South American who had to choose between right and extreme right, being a leftist, I completely understand the frustration about voting Biden. And what’s more, agree completely he does not deserve to be voted. But, in order to defeat fascism and with all other cards now played, Biden is the lesser of two evils and taking the moral high ground could result on fascism taking over the USA. I suggest voting for Biden. My two cents…
He’s not the lesser of two evils. Cut this horseshit rhetoric. Biden has done a good job. No-one is perfect but calling him evil is just right wing propaganda both sides bullshit.
Trump is evil. If you want to see evil, vote Trump.
several hundred years ago we had the choice between electing a slaveowner that fucked his slaves vs a slaveowner that didn’t fuck his slaves. Now we get to pick between a genocidal warmonger bent on keeping us all in debt servitude that is pro trans rights vs a genocidal dictatorship that is against trans rights.
Biden sucks ass, stop gaslighting us if you want us to vote for your shithead
When did Biden support genocide?
Failing to do enough to immediately prevent an entirely separate foreign government from conducting its own genocide does not count.
Why would Israel have a hard time getting munitions from any other first-world country, especially when they have the excuse of getting attacked by terrorists?
goalpost moved
Withholding munitions from Israel doesn’t stop the genocide. I’m keeping that end goal in mind.
“Neoliberal shill” who has achieved more leftist policy goals in three and a half years than all US leftists combined have in the last 30.
Undoing fascist rules put in by the previous resident does not count as achieving “leftist policy goals”; implementation of permanent law does.
Meanwhile, people have lost abortion rights, the rule of law has basically been suspended for potential coup participants. So yeah, I’m just gonna say we’re not doing well. Meanwhile, I’m still going to vote Biden no matter what. We’ve already lost the democracy, but I’m going to delay the implementation of the far right authoritarian state for as long as possible.
But abortion rights were lost because people refused to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016.
Do you really feel that this is a relevant thing to say to someone who says they’re voting for biden even if he’s 6ft underground?
It’s a reply button, not a disagree button.
I don’t know whether or not that is true, but it is meaningless without considering what the other hand has also done in that period. You have to consider the net effect, not pick out isolated examples. Has the rate of wealth disparity growth even stopped increasing under Biden?
Can a president realistically control that? They don’t control inflation.
Yes. They can drive party policy goals through presidential policy.
That’s influence, not control. It’s not always effective and parties rarely align.
Semantics.
Lol the post you made this as a response to literally has tankies calling themselves tankies and stating that they will not vote for Biden.
Seethe harder.
Maybe Tankies arent a monolith 🫨
Buddy, the meme wasn’t about you, clearly. Why are you simping so hard for tankies?
