• StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    Isn’t it liberals handing the election to Trump by pretending like Biden has a chance and refusing to push forward a new candidate? Oh wait I forgot Liberals are fascist we just haven’t scratched them yet 🖕

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      Let me just snap my fingers and swap out the candidate. Genius!

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        Do you think Biden should drop out and be replaced by a Dem who could do better in the polls? I’m not pretending you have any power I’m sure someone as feckless as you doesn’t. But you’re the type to insist that he should stay in the race despite losing in the polls right?

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          Do you think Biden should drop out and be replaced by a Dem who could do better in the polls?

          Absolutely.

          But you’re the type to insist that he should stay in the race despite losing in the polls right?

          Based on what?

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            My bad than Friendly Fire same team. Lmao

            Really hate being called a tanky by libs. I assumed you were one of those right wingers who are defending Biden to help Trump win. You know the kind of left-wing moderate who are so moderate that you makes you wonder if they’re just Republicans.

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              And I really hate when “Leftists” roll up to a discussion about the merits of making a choice at the ballot box to snarkily tell people that the magical solution is actually to just do something that’s outside of their control.

              It’s really telling how many people got pissed off thinking this meme was about them just because it includes the word tankie. Start holding the people like the one in the meme accountable instead of making wild assumptions and hurling insults.

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                I wonder why socialists who live under a government that did things like the Red Scare would be offended by people punching left than using derogatory terms for socialists like tankie.

                To be clear you should not punch left that’s something that fascists do.

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                  So you have nothing to say about Leftists pushing for Biden to lose to Trump, but god forbid someone uses the word tankie in a meme.

                  Glad to see your priorities are in order.

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    Since when has the American main stream media been tankies? Sounds like you’re doing everything you can to cope. But keep banging the drum of “he isn’t Trump”. It will surely work.

    Right?

    That’s enough to save America?

    Those are your words. You better be right.

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      Since when has the American main stream media been tankies?

      American main stream media has stated that they will not vote for Biden? Is American main stream media in the room with us right now? Can you point him out?

      Those are your words.

      When and where did I say them?

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        Are you really trying to act like mainstream media isn’t scared shitless right now of Biden’s presidential run? Are you blind or just trying to stay ignorant on purpose?

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      I mean, you can even see them self-identifying as tankies in this very thread. But okay.

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      Tankies are not fascist, they are just willing to do whatever it takes to defend the socialist revolution.

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          A socialist revolution by definition cannot be fascist, fascism is a far right movement and a socialist revolution is far left movement they both have authoritarian aspects, but are polar opposites as far as the goals of each movement. Socialism is for the benefit of all, fascism is for the benefit of the few.

          Also I’m not an accelerationist and am voting for Biden, there is no where near enough class conciousness in the States for a Prolitariat Revolution to occur, but once that critical tipping point is reached I think Landlords and Billionaires should get the wall if they refuse to peacefully give up their hordes of wealth and property for the common good and that the revolution should be defended by any means necessary.

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            Fine, I will grant you, you aren’t fascists. Fascists hate people and want to kill them.

            Tankies love “the revolution” more than the people they want to benefit. You may not see it as breaking a few eggs to make an omelette, but when you sit out an election where the fascists have a better than coin flip odds of seizing power, you are effectively letting them do that. And if you’re willing to let trans people die in camps for… what was it? “Enough class consciousness to build” then… well, fuck you and your revolution.

            Like, also this reveals your total all encompassing privilege. Because look dude, if the fascists are putting trans people and immigrants into camps, do you really think they will spare you? Or do you just think you’re white enough that you’ll go under the radar until your “revolution” happens?

            Also, fuck any revolution that involves taking up the tools and institutions of power. Those need to be ground to dust

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      To place Russian communism and Nazi-fascism on the same moral plane, in that both would be totalitarian, is superficial at best, fascism at worst. Whoever insists on this equation may well consider himself a democrat, in truth and in the bottom of his heart he is in fact already a fascist, and certainly only in a hypocritical and insincere way will he fight fascism, while reserving all his hatred for communism.

      • Thomas Mann
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    Biden perhaps shouldn’t have enabled a genocide, just saying.

    Also the correct term is Arab Americans

    How Arab American voters’ backlash could imperil Biden’s 2024 campaign

    In Michigan, for example, Biden won in 2020 by 154,000 votes. Census estimates put the state’s Arab American population around at least 278,000.

    Biden won Arizona by 10,500 votes. The Arab American population in the Grand Canyon State is estimated to be 60,000.

    Biden took Georgia by 11,800 votes. The Arab American population there is at least 57,000.

    Inside Biden’s Broken Relationship With Muslim and Arab American Leaders

    Biden losing Arab-American voters in swing state

    ‘The man broke my heart’: Biden’s Arab-American boosters begin to leave his side

    The fact that liberals would rather strawperson Arab and Muslim Americans and anyone else repulsed by the genocide than acknowledge the reality and try to stop it is hard to understand beyond it being based in racism and chauvinism. What group of people would vote for the person enabling their own genocide?

    Edit: While Marxist-Leninists, i.e. Tankies, do exist in the US they never constituted a significant voting bloc that can sway elections, they always opposed the Democratic Party even before the genocide. Minorities such as Arab Americans -mostly Christian- and Muslim Americans do constitute a significant voting bloc that can sway elections and they used to be a consistent voter base for the Democratic Party in past elections.

    An overlooked and undercounted group of Arab American and Muslim voters may have outsized impact on 2024 presidential election

    In Michigan, Muslim and Arab American Voters Reconsider Support for Biden

    The dismissive racism and genocide apologia by liberals is going to cost you Arab and Muslim Americans for more than one election cycle. I wish you had some self awareness and empathy to realize it.

    Final Note: This is not meant to elicit debate and I don’t need an explanation on how elections work in the US or why the US will support Israel no matter what it does regardless of who is president. I am just sharing another side of the story that seem to be purposefully ignored.

    I cited agreeable news source and articles and yet this comment is getting downvoted. I guess liberals would rather invent a strawperson they can easily take down than acknowledge they are losing among minorities in swing states.

    Just look at the number of voters considering third party candidates:

    Exclusive poll: Black voters aren’t thrilled with Biden but dislike Trump more

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      Look, Im trans. If he loses, Im the one getting genocided. Its perhaps a mirthless disposition, but I am absolutely willing to put off Palestine so I dont get shot, and probably so you dont get deported tol btw

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        I’m simply stating the facts as they are, it is not my fault that the Democratic Party lost Arab and Muslim American voters.

        but I am absolutely willing to put off Palestine

        How would this argument win over Arab and Muslim Americans? You are basically saying: “I don’t care if you get genocided but you have to care about me”. On the upside as the polls show, Trump is even more unpopular than Biden so you can’t blame us if Trump wins, blame those who voted for him.

        so I dont get shot

        Arab and Muslim Americans are already getting shot. My personal recommendation is start exercising your 2nd amendment rights:

        so you dont get deported

        So be it but only if Darrell Issa is deported first

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      Let me change around your words and then shame you for the new position I created for you. Oh, and don’t bother debating me, I’m only interested in the sound of my own voice