In my mind we need heavier punnishment, we need containment punnishments, way longer punnishments for those who are not interested in rehab which our justice system focuses on, after two times caught they need to get an automatic 10x the time normally given. If people are not interested in being part of a working society, then I’d rather they stay locked up.
we do that here; not only does it both not work well and allows people to profit from exacerbating it; it fixes a lot less and costs a lot more than treating it like a societal issue; changing policy; and aggressive outreach.
we’ve also had recidivism rates drop when convicts were given alternatives viable to their situation instead of focusing on the punishment.
American here, our gangs primarily exist because the police do not benefit (and actively harm) minority communities, and the gangs offer what is essentially an alternative police force* for crimes that otherwise go unenforced and unreported. Is that not the reason for gangs in Sweden?
(Gangs in these categories historically include the Italian mafia in the US, the Gangs of New York, the Triads, the Crips & Bloods, and I’m sure I’m missing others)
I have no exact knowledge about why the gabgs appeared in Sweden, best I can say is the extreme culture clash between migrants and Swedes making them feel like outsiders.
Sweden in an extreme country with an extreme culture, where as other countries are far, far more religious and family oriented, we are far more individual and have a deeper connection to the government.
This is quite foreign to mugrants who have trouble understanding us, which makes them push further back against it.
To be clear, the main issue is the culture clash between Sweden and migrants from the middle east, we have a VERY different culture and relationship with the government.
The main issue as I see it is that Swedish culture is quite passive agressive, and we have not enforced our culture norms hard enough that they integrated into our society as well as possible, now people have talked about how we Swedes need to integrate ourselves into the migrant population.
I get what you are saying, but we allready have a prison system focusing on rehabilitation, and it doesn’t phase the gangs.
you’ll never stop the gangs; but you can make it more difficult to operate if it becomes getting harder to find new gang members and less cost effective to retain the ones trapped in their sphere.
By increasing the length of prison sentences, we atleast keep them contained for longer.
that’s what i meant by viable alternatives to their situation; no matter how long you contain them they eventually have to return to their situation and all at great cost.
If you have any other suggestion, please go ahead and tell me.
aggressive outreach is a more effective tactic at combating gangs
we do that here; not only does it both not work well and allows people to profit from exacerbating it; it fixes a lot less and costs a lot more than treating it like a societal issue; changing policy; and aggressive outreach.
we’ve also had recidivism rates drop when convicts were given alternatives viable to their situation instead of focusing on the punishment.
I get what you are saying, but we allready have a prison system focusing on rehabilitation, and it doesn’t phase the gangs.
By increasing the length of prison sentences, we atleast keep them contained for longer.
If you have any other suggestion, please go ahead and tell me.
American here, our gangs primarily exist because the police do not benefit (and actively harm) minority communities, and the gangs offer what is essentially an alternative police force* for crimes that otherwise go unenforced and unreported. Is that not the reason for gangs in Sweden?
(Gangs in these categories historically include the Italian mafia in the US, the Gangs of New York, the Triads, the Crips & Bloods, and I’m sure I’m missing others)
I have no exact knowledge about why the gabgs appeared in Sweden, best I can say is the extreme culture clash between migrants and Swedes making them feel like outsiders.
Sweden in an extreme country with an extreme culture, where as other countries are far, far more religious and family oriented, we are far more individual and have a deeper connection to the government.
This is quite foreign to mugrants who have trouble understanding us, which makes them push further back against it.
To be clear, the main issue is the culture clash between Sweden and migrants from the middle east, we have a VERY different culture and relationship with the government.
The main issue as I see it is that Swedish culture is quite passive agressive, and we have not enforced our culture norms hard enough that they integrated into our society as well as possible, now people have talked about how we Swedes need to integrate ourselves into the migrant population.
This is why the right is on the rise in Sweden
Finding that out will give you solutions to your problems
you’ll never stop the gangs; but you can make it more difficult to operate if it becomes getting harder to find new gang members and less cost effective to retain the ones trapped in their sphere.
that’s what i meant by viable alternatives to their situation; no matter how long you contain them they eventually have to return to their situation and all at great cost.
aggressive outreach is a more effective tactic at combating gangs
I never said that harser was the only way forward, I am all for preventative meassures
We really don’t do that here, because we skip the rehab part almost entirely because it’s bad for the profit margins of private prisons.
Yes; every time a city, county, or state does this; it ends up getting shutdown no matter how successful they are