You even read anything of my comments? Or you just stuck on your script where everything outside of “NATO bad Russia good” is to much to handle? For the last years we’ve been constantly hearing about what we’re allowed to do in our borders from Russians regularly threatening us with dropping the bombs on us. What would legitimate self defence be for that if we were Russian ourselves?
Cuz it sure seems like Russia is the only nation on earth blessed to do anything it wishes against the will of us all living next to its borders. All interest of Russia is above any of the people of Eastern Europe, as westerners always believed. I’m so sorry to have questioned your wisdom sir.
No, you just parrot Russian propaganda. Merkel is Russia’s lapdog and made German industry totally dependant on Russian resources sold under market prices. Whatever you claim it is Russians invading Ukraine not the other way around.
Even if that were the case (which it is not, but I don’t see a chance we could agree on that); is NATO army in Russia, or is Russia in a sovereign state to which it gave security guarantees? Was Crimea out of anti NATO necessity as well?
Ukraine wanting to revoke the right for the Russian navy to use the port there
Ah yes, so much respect for a sovereign state and it’s decisions. Should all European states do what Russia wants? Is servitude to an imperial mega state which has occupied your region before your concept of freedom?
Europe was always going to be the sacrificial lamb if the cold war were to get hot
You do know, that USSR did attempt to invade central/western Europe and occupied countries in central Europe long before NATO even existed? It’s as if, even if evil, NATO was built using Europeans justified fear of Russian imperial ambitions…
No, I meant earlier invasions (1, 2) and post-WW2 occupation of central Europe (1, 2, and so on). But in fairness I could even for WW2.
The west should definitely stop being imperalist.
Yes, absolutely. But so should Russia. The difference here is probably about whether or not one considers Ukrainians to have a right to self determination. You seem to be keen on the idea of Slavs having so such right against Russia.
Idk why you keep responding to me,
I’m offended by people supporting murdering of my neighbours.
spamming me with your ideological takes.
Which in particular of my claims could use a source?
former east German spy
So someone deeply formatted by the “communist” security services believes that he’s side was right? Should I put it against an ex-CIA operative claiming they were right to set up banana republics? Should we also discuss how the same services dealt with internal opposition(1)? You seriously consider a random apparatchik to be a proper source for any information?
But I could agree with the general idea. Even if for someone it was not earlier, by now it’s very much clear the US administration in, for lack of better word, playing against Europe. In your style I could mess around and claim that’s because of a colour revolution (1), which set up a corrupt oligarchic pro-Russian leader (1), but that’s beside the point.
Still, for example Polish experience of Russia, so some 100 years of occupation (1), a mentioned invasion (1), second mentioned invasion, in cooperation with nazis (1), some genocidal cleansing (1), followed by 50 years of de facto occupation (1) might convince one that it’s better to side with a distant empire against it. People like you like to claim that they have a “geopolitics” or “realpolitic” take on things. This is one, it’s a cynical play of one superpower against the other to have any chance to rebuild after occupation. I could dig up a lengthy youtube essay on that if you were actually interested. You somehow think you’re one of a niche group to understand that. Seem the French committed a dramatic share of their state budget to create their own nuclear program just for fun, since they could have just trusted US.
Bottom line is; the people who you deny any agency are not dying for western corporations, even if one can draw the interests. They are dying to protect their families and communities. Because, as opposed to you, we know Russia for what it is. We know Russians who decided to escape, we know ones who support that state, we’ve been to Russia. And because it, again, invaded the lands where people understand what that means.
Oh and finally; if Ukraine were a NATO trap against Russia - it worked. Russia is already crippled and failing, yet still it would not leave the lands it has invaded, such is its imperialist, expansionist mentality.
You even read anything of my comments? Or you just stuck on your script where everything outside of “NATO bad Russia good” is to much to handle? For the last years we’ve been constantly hearing about what we’re allowed to do in our borders from Russians regularly threatening us with dropping the bombs on us. What would legitimate self defence be for that if we were Russian ourselves?
Cuz it sure seems like Russia is the only nation on earth blessed to do anything it wishes against the will of us all living next to its borders. All interest of Russia is above any of the people of Eastern Europe, as westerners always believed. I’m so sorry to have questioned your wisdom sir.
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No, you just parrot Russian propaganda. Merkel is Russia’s lapdog and made German industry totally dependant on Russian resources sold under market prices. Whatever you claim it is Russians invading Ukraine not the other way around.
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Even if that were the case (which it is not, but I don’t see a chance we could agree on that); is NATO army in Russia, or is Russia in a sovereign state to which it gave security guarantees? Was Crimea out of anti NATO necessity as well?
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Ah yes, so much respect for a sovereign state and it’s decisions. Should all European states do what Russia wants? Is servitude to an imperial mega state which has occupied your region before your concept of freedom?
You do know, that USSR did attempt to invade central/western Europe and occupied countries in central Europe long before NATO even existed? It’s as if, even if evil, NATO was built using Europeans justified fear of Russian imperial ambitions…
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No, I meant earlier invasions (1, 2) and post-WW2 occupation of central Europe (1, 2, and so on). But in fairness I could even for WW2.
Yes, absolutely. But so should Russia. The difference here is probably about whether or not one considers Ukrainians to have a right to self determination. You seem to be keen on the idea of Slavs having so such right against Russia.
I’m offended by people supporting murdering of my neighbours.
Which in particular of my claims could use a source?
So someone deeply formatted by the “communist” security services believes that he’s side was right? Should I put it against an ex-CIA operative claiming they were right to set up banana republics? Should we also discuss how the same services dealt with internal opposition(1)? You seriously consider a random apparatchik to be a proper source for any information? But I could agree with the general idea. Even if for someone it was not earlier, by now it’s very much clear the US administration in, for lack of better word, playing against Europe. In your style I could mess around and claim that’s because of a colour revolution (1), which set up a corrupt oligarchic pro-Russian leader (1), but that’s beside the point. Still, for example Polish experience of Russia, so some 100 years of occupation (1), a mentioned invasion (1), second mentioned invasion, in cooperation with nazis (1), some genocidal cleansing (1), followed by 50 years of de facto occupation (1) might convince one that it’s better to side with a distant empire against it. People like you like to claim that they have a “geopolitics” or “realpolitic” take on things. This is one, it’s a cynical play of one superpower against the other to have any chance to rebuild after occupation. I could dig up a lengthy youtube essay on that if you were actually interested. You somehow think you’re one of a niche group to understand that. Seem the French committed a dramatic share of their state budget to create their own nuclear program just for fun, since they could have just trusted US.
Bottom line is; the people who you deny any agency are not dying for western corporations, even if one can draw the interests. They are dying to protect their families and communities. Because, as opposed to you, we know Russia for what it is. We know Russians who decided to escape, we know ones who support that state, we’ve been to Russia. And because it, again, invaded the lands where people understand what that means.
Oh and finally; if Ukraine were a NATO trap against Russia - it worked. Russia is already crippled and failing, yet still it would not leave the lands it has invaded, such is its imperialist, expansionist mentality.