• Cruel@programming.dev
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    2 hours ago

    Fascist economies seize control of property for nationalistic purposes. Only difference between communism is that they still defer to private property owners while the regime ultimately controls it, as opposed to “the people” owning it.

    This is China. They control all their industry for nationalistic purposes. They have a cult of personality leader. Literally every textbook indicator of fascism.

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      1 hour ago

      All modern economies have some degree of a public/private split, even the DPRK has special economic zones like Rason. The difference between capitalism (which fascism is a derivative of) and socialism is which aspect of the economy is principle, private or public, and which class is in control of the state, capitalists or workers. In China, public ownership is principle and the state is under the control of the working classes.

      The PRC does use nationalized industry and resources for their own benefit, as does every single country, with the partial exception of colonized and imperialized countries that are exploited by the west. Xi Jinping is popular, but doesn’t have a cult of personality. I don’t know what textbook you’re reading, but if it’s telling you that public ownership is fascist you should probably discard it.

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        49 minutes ago

        I’m saying “if it looks and quacks like a duck, then it’s a duck.” You’re saying “if it says it’s not a duck, it’s not.”

        How is the Chinese economy not fascist corporatism? Because they call it “public ownership”? The CCP mandates all corporations have CCP cells that align with their national interests. They still defer to private property owners who often become very wealthy. (see: Jack Ma). How does a socialist country have people worth almost $30 billion? This is no more socialism than Nazi’s Nat Socs (or rather, it’s equally socialism).

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          No, I’m saying that tigers are not ducks, and I explained clearly why. No matter how much you point to ducks and tigers both having feet, they aren’t the same in any capacity. The PRC has a publicly driven economy, with the working classes in control of the state. It’s funny that you bring up Jack Ma, because he was punished by the state for acting against socialism. Nazi Germany was driven by private ownership as principle, and a strong state, the fundamental differences lie in whether public ownership or private ownership is principle and which class is in control.