• frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml
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    A short ‘logical’ essay can give any answer in an abstract sense, but that doesn’t discount empirical examples.

    Always seemed to me like Engels begs the question, takes “anarchy = chaos” as a starting assumption.

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        It’s trivially easy to think of examples of “organisation without authority” in nature, in history, in software.

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          Provide a trivially easy example that you can think of (in the concrete sense) and let’s examine it together

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              I provided you not only one, but two (cotton spinning wheel and railway example), assuming you’re familiar with Engels text.

              I see you’re either scared to be challenged ideologically or it’s not as trivially easy as you make it seem to be.

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                No, those aren’t examples of “organisation without authority”; they’re the opposite.

                I only see two possibilities –

                • You need to spoonfeed you examples of “organisation without authority” because you have excessive respect for my opinion, lack of independent thought
                • You’re playing the role of ‘hostile skeptic on the internet’
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                  No, those aren’t examples of “organisation without authority”; they’re the opposite.

                  Brother in Christ if this is your reading comprehension I’m not sure how to help you. I’m arguing with Engels here: Meaning organization without authority isn’t possible. How the fuck do you expect me to provide an example of organization without authority if it’s not something I believe in dipshit?

                  Provides no examples

                  Ok bye

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                    How the fuck do you expect me to provide an example of organization without authority if it’s not something I believe in dipshit?

                    I expected exactly this tbh. You even admit that it’s your “beliefs” that blind you to the examples we see all around us. No point talking to a hostile deadminded Believer.