Would protestors be safer? Thousands of masked people with guns. Chaos?

I can’t help but think that the only solution to ICE is a “well regulated militia” in combination with political reform, with both being necessary.

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      It’s so relieving to watch so many people change their stance on the second amendment. Trump has done the pro gun movement a huge favor.

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        That only applies if they fight with equal weapons. In a violent conflict, a government might use armored vehicles, tear gas, drones etc. I don’t think the risk would be equal for both sides.

        That’s also why I think that the second amendmend is pointless in today’s world. If it ever comes to a wider conflict between the general public and the government it’s not guns against guns. It’s guns against high-tech weapons.

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          It’s worth acknowledging that superior firepower hasn’t directly resulted in success for the US military. Guerilla armies like in Vietnam and in many countries in the Middle East such as Afghanistan have repelled US invasion, and wargame simulations (including US on US wargames!) have repeatedly shown this.

          Add into the mix that there was a serious degree of military revolt (complemented by homeland revolt) in the Vietnam War (and other later wars too). While this was largely boosted by it being a conscription army at the time, I still believe an internal US war would make the military similarly vulnerable to internal conflict, and even external sabotage by citizens.

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        I doubt they’re worried about that. Protest implies that the gun is symbolic or defensive. ICE is there to shoot, and will shoot first.

        If it turns into a gunfight, one side gets a gov pension when the smoke clears, and the other side gets prison if they live.

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          Fair but it’s hard to pin down who shot who if there are hundreds/thousands of shooters and all wearing masks.

          I think the real issue would be having to deal with national guard.

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        They think they’re beyond consequences and “it can’t happen to me, I’m the main character!”

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        bro they jumped and executed a person they don’t think about risks anymore

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          Legal repercussions are totally different than thousands of masked people with guns. They all know that the law is slow and easy to get around.